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One more from Mr Jackson

Each of us has our own approach. However one thing is certain "no one takes the piss on this forum". I have followed Daves' (Azda and DG's) comments on numerous threads and not only do I like them but also I do learn from them. The problem like Jerry points out is most newbies have high hopes. They look at a coin and immediately think out of the varieties the one in their hands is of the scarcest type. A classic example is the person who came asking about the 1922 penny the other day. Personally I don't post if the coin involved is not a penny (purely because I don't collect anything else) and I also don't take a measured approach when I pull people down from stratosphere. Not because I want to humiliate anyone but because I believe people need a reality check. At the same time I also share your excitement when someone has hit the jackpot. I am sure most people on this forum are the same. As long as the intentions are good there's no harm done .................

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Rob, The ja is an extension of j. The features that you have in your pic of the old Gouby book are common to both to rev j and ja. Ja came into existence due to die wear. The die wear on 1874 was progressive and the 3 pennies that I have seen have one common feature the hair on the back of the neck (which is shorter on ja). The other features are still emerging on most of the 1874 ja examples. However the die wear was perhaps complete by 1874 because the revs of 1875 onwards are always ja. Initially Gouby just had j which you show in your pic however he noticed that though 1875 and 77 narrow dates had what he thought was j he noticed that most of the 1874 narrow dates differed from the narrow dates of 1875 and 1877. So he regrouped these reverses (of 1875/77) as ja and identified the 1874 narrow date pennies which had a different reverse as the 1875/77 as j. The ja version of 1874 is rare and that is what Jerry has posted. .

This one is for you Rob!!! These are the features I use. The sure shot for me is the hair on her neck

The following things are different from the normal type i) The hair on Britannia's neck short ii) The last strand of hair coming from Brit's head separates from the rest and is straighter iii) There are no rocks or at times a single small rock These are the major clinchers

Lovely coin only 3rd specimen that I have seen since 2010 and better than the other 2. Will offer £400 if you want to sell

Lovely coin Pete and some nice coins on ebay from you Coinery

The £1800 was inclusive of premium so I had bid £1500. It's a nice coin no doubt but that was not a carbon spot and without that the coin may have been worth £2600 considering others in high grades have sold for similar amounts http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=124&searchlot=678&searchtype=2 http://www.colincooke.com/coin_images/workman2/2-007a.jpg (Nov 2010 sold for £2000+premium) But the point I wanted to highlight was misrepresentaion of grades by another reputed auction house. That definitely was not a carbon spot. If it was someone who left an absentee bid on that coin I am sure he is going to be well pi$$ed off.

Here's the Baldwin example for comparison. I bid on that as well but pulled out at £1800. I am informed it sold for just under £2600 inc premium. BTW, It definitely is not a carbon spot on the helmet (I inspected the coin at the sale and it is verdigris with a pit on the surface resulting from corrosion) https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=1086&lot=214

The ask was £2700 I managed it for £2250. It hammered for $2000 or $2.2k add the fees etc it works out $2500 (about £1750). To bring it to the UK was another 20% customs/VAT, then the dealer profits. The dealer supplying me has 18 coins from the sale and I have so far acquired 10.

Joins my other pennies this afternoon

Lovely coin Pete. I like this tread too. Needs resurrection. I will post pics of a few coins I have recently acquired ex Jackson

That's a beauty. Is that urs Pete?

I have seen this die rotation (40 degree and over) on early bronze hapennies, 1862 especially. I have 4 or 5 PCGS slabbed hapennies with this problem. It's not that common on later Vicky pennies or on Edwardian Pennies. Mid George V pennies also show-up with this error especially the 1920 penny.

unsolid or unsoiled

Not uncommon. Anything over 90 degrees is rare however. I have seen plenty with up to 40 degrees rotation.

Not my experience. I have quite often been below my max in the past several years. In that case I will have to change my point of view. Perhaps I have been very unlucky with proxy bids for a long time with LCA. Thanks for letting me know.

Now out and some good pennies and some bad like this UNC 1866 Penny which is also graded CGS 80 http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchlot=2442&searchtype=2&page=Catalogue

That seals it then, Jag! They seem reasonably up front on the proxy system!Congrats on the wins! Or they are taking note of feedback received. I was in the hall and was surprised to find a lot of bidding this time around as opposed to lots opening just shy of the low estimate, which generally used to be the norm at LCA.

Interesting!!! It would need to be put under a microscope to ensure the date has not been artificially removed. However I think it looks kosher from here and if it really is then I personally think we are looking upwards of £500.

Thanks. Initial investigation shows that the pennies either did well or were left unsold.

I suspect they are trying to bracket them as 'investment coins' given the way Stanley Gibbons are developing their rare coin indices and pushing coins as an alternative investment. Keeping the prices high would be an integral part of this strategy. Very plausible and I agree with you Rob, but good luck to them if they want to pose a 1865 penny as an investment grade asset.

Thanks Paulus. Order placed

Is there a Bronze book other than the standard Freeman/Gouby/Peck/Satin?