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Thanks Guys As you say it has to be a barborous type. I have scoured the pages online as well as a few books and it just isn't sophisticated enough to be a Roman issue. Plus it looks like the horseman himself is stabbing the horse! I've now looked at other barborous types and this is actually a very nice example of its kind, so I am still very happy with it. Totally appreciate you both taking the time to reply. Cheers Brian

Hi Folks Got this coin today along with a load of other miscellaneous bits. has anyone got a clue at what it is. It is a little smaller in size than a penny. It seems to have a lion on the obv with 5 pellets above tall and one in the curl of the tail. The reverse maybe Persian or Indian, although the wife thinks it looks like an elephant!!! Thanks in advance.

Hi Michael Hi Michael, that is a beautiful example. I have a few of the standard "Britannia Moneta" trials myself. However, it is more the particular token I was intersted in and if anyone had seen this before.

Hi All Just came across an unusual token. HME Birmingham produced a coin in the late 1950-60's with Obv: "HME Birmingham" with a coin press in centre. the Rev: with the phrase "If a Cincinnati Salesman can't match this coin he'll buy you a beer". My question is have any of you seen the same coin with the Britania Moneta obverse? It has definitely seen better days but found in a bag load of predominately machine tokens.

Here is the normal reverse. I have a few of these. Thanks

Just have to say that you have definitely gone up and beyond on this lot AardHawk. Well done. Eye strain is a definite...

Welcome to the forum. A great place with great people and lots of knowledge which the members are always willing to share, although some in grumpier ways than others , no names mentioned .

Thanks U.N.

Thanks Paddy that's a great start. I didn't think I would be as into the decimal side as I have found myself lately, although predecimal is still my main collection.

Just wondering if everyone could have a look at their proof sets containing the 1p's with Rev A and Rev B - 1972 to 1976, which AardHawk shows above, and state what they find. I am trying to substantiate my findings - First is that I noticed that the reverse B type seems to be acid etched/frosted on the design and legend with high polished ground, I did mention this once before briefly, whereas the reverse type A is just the same high polished finish throughout. I also found that in the sets with the Rev B 1p's the half pence also seems to be frosted. Lastly I am also trying to work out the ratio of type A & B within the differing years ( I know this is a big ask but even a small census may through up some insight) I know the frosted/cameo proof becomes standard in 1980 across all coins on both obverse and reverse. I just find it interesting that it started on the lower bronze coinage first, albeit the reverse of the coin. Thanks in advance

Just sat for the past few hours re-categorizing my pennies to fit in with yours AardHawk. I noted I had a few that differ from yours though: Proof 1985 - you have 4+C1 maybe a variant but I have 4+C2 1990 – you have 8+C2a mine is 8+E1 1991-1992 you have 8+E1 my 1992 is 8+C2a From 1972-76 I have both reverse type for each year. Also I am trying to confirm a cross over variant for the 1989 Proof an 8+E2, seen but not in hand to confirm. Circulation All are as yours but in addition I also have a 4th 1992 variant 5+C1 Can totally understand the eye strain bit Cheers Brian

Here is the 1984's

Great study. I am in the middle of going through Proof and BU varieties as there are definite variants including some early frosted and none frosted Proofs of the same year. I also noted that on the 1984 and 1985 circulation pennies there is a cross over of large and small beading, did you notice this while doing your study? Example showing the 1985 penny below.

I have seen quite a few of the Cu-Ni varieties now as well. Not as common as the Bronze but still quite easy to find. Appreciate you letting me know Will.

Hi All I recently bought a couple of British Empire Medallions. The first was the art deco man sitting by Noble, 38mm Bronze. The second was the bust with winged hat by the Royal Mint, 26mm, Bronze. I am totally intrigued by them. I noted there are others. Does anyone know how many differing medallions/ tokens were produced at the Exhibition altogether. Thanks Brian

Thought I would try this stuff out to see if it actually works and what kind of results it can give. Obviously I wouldn't want to try it on any expensive coins so I used a couple of pennies I have quite a number of. The first was on a 1967 penny. The penny had a reasonable lustre although there were some evident fingerprints and some slight tarnishing starting. I used it as stated; 5 seconds followed by placing the coin under running water to stop the process and remove and remaining dip. The appearance of the coin was improved but I also noted that it was a very slightly lighter colour than a comparable 1967 penny. Also that a number of small dark patches which had not been visible previously had now appeared. I did note that looking under a loop that these patches seemed to have showed up where slight verd patches had been, some not previously visible. My next test was with a 1938 penny. Again it had reasonable underlaying lustre but was dulled and the surface not overly attractive, especially on the obverse. Thinking about the colour change of the 1967 penny I only dipped the 1938 for 3 sceonds. Again it made a slight improvement with the lustre and removed some of the dulling and parts of the slight fingerprints. However I did notice that it once again brought out marks not previously visible as well as highlighting defects, possible due to removing excess build up of grime, etc. (See the slight gash at the bottom of George's neck). There was still a slight colour change but not as apparent as the 1967. I did remove a couple of minor fingerprint marks from some silver proofs which I had. It did these brilliantly without damage. The photographs all show before then after.

Hi I was think the other day about vaccum packing some of my modern coins. Has anyone done this or know if there are any drawbacks, etc.. I was thinking of wrapping in parchment then in soft cloth before vaccum sealing. Then basically storing them away for the next 10-20 years. Any thoughts or insights would be appreciated. Thanks Brian

Thanks Jerry I am keeping my eyes well and truly peeled for anything VF or above, but they are definitely rarer than stated in the books without a doubt.

Hi Folks Does anyone have any idea what the 1913 F175 & F176 go for in VF +. This is my F176 at the moment, but it was even hard to find in this condition and way out of my price range in Uncirculated. Cheers

Would be very interested in seeing your article Dave. Have found a few unusual features myself. I no longer have a subscription to Coin News. Could you give me a shout when its published. Thanks

Well I have just looked at 37x1999 pennies and haven't found one like that so far. I know I have some more so will look later.

Will have a look as I still have a load bagged up.

Hi All Here is an updated chart of of my findings on the Portcullis Decimal Penny. There are variants which I haven't found but mentioned in David Grooms book. This is a continuation of my research since my article published in Coin News last year. This is circulated varieties only. Proofs and BU are a whole new ball game. Hope it is of help to some

Definitely not Pete. Yeah getting back to it, took me ages to catch up with all the posts I've missed. Some great new topics and threads may I add.?

Hi Garrett From what I have managed to find, which is very little, there were two Cutler's named Robinson in Oxford around that time. Both next door to each other. The first one listed in the late 1820's and the second in about 1847, probably father and son. However it also appears that their business finishes in the early 1850's, but will have to do a lot more digging. If this is the case, and the date stamped into my coin is correct, then it seems that the older of the two started the counter stamping advertising, quite prolifically as well. Still lots of research to do.