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Lovely coin Pete. Hope someone takes your hand off.

I have a couple of bun heads with nice purple hues. Maybe the reason. Didn't know that one Pete. The coins are still very nice so are still keepers, but know for future reference. Cheers

Here is a picture of both coins

Hi Guys, I know there is starting to get a pattern here with these decimal pennies but found another interesting anomaly. This looks to me like an extra link next to the "1" of this 1994 penny. May just be a fault but interesting. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks

It was done on my phone. It should have stated that I could see your images. No idea how it even came out that way.

I can see the moment images.

While doing a survey on decimal pennies I came across this curio. I found 4 identical at a ratio of about 1 in 30 of the 2007 type 1 portcullis variants. I think it looks like a chip in the die but would be interested in everyone else's take on it. Obviously as I have found 4 it is quantifiable as a variety but how would it be best to describe it. Looking forward to your responses. Thanks Brian

I'd go with math's or plain simple mathematics. I got the Queen's Lion 2016 - 2oz bullion coin. Its a real beauty. Cost me £43 inclusive of special delivery. Noticed the 1 ounce 2017 lion coin from the RM is priced at £85!!!!!! Mad.

Maybe not everyone's cup of tea. I like it. A 1980 decimal penny 90 degree die rotation error. Sorry about the rubbish photo, but does show the error.

Was just talking to you Matt. The penny was an error that linked in with what you had said..... Will do later and already started a bit on it in the Decimal section

Its a variant survey of Decimal Pennies.

I have been doing a massive survey of modern pennies. Friends and family just keep dropping them off. So far I have about £70 worth and another £40 coming. Only portcullis types, so 1971-2008. Kneck and shoulder are killing me but enjoying it and finding lots of interesting things. Will post results and info once its all finished being collated.

Just a quick photo of the coin I am talking about. Not sure about any "blakesley effect" on this though.

Can I say a massive thanks in place of the obviously somewhat brain lacking seller of the above. It just so hppens I have just found a modern penny from 1992 with very similar characteristics. I was struggling to figure out how to discribe it, niow I know. Thanks Matt Regards Brian

I bought this Thanks. Will add to my error collection. Nice cheap addition.

http://en.numista.com/ This is a good one for basic information, weight, material, mintages, etc... Has both worldwide and British coin details.

What makes you feel that the circulation did not occur after it was engraved.

I THOUGHT I had found the 3rd 2000 variant that Dave was talking about but was wrong. I did however re look at the Rev A and found that it was actually the Rev b of 1992. 2000 All with Portcullis 2 Rev b – as 1992 penny 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) Rev c – as 2001 penny the 1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead. (109 BB) This then makes more sense to renamed Rev B to Rev c for continuity. I will post Rev a, b and c showing the differences later. So the list should now read as follows: 1971-1984 – Second Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1985-1990 – Third Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1991 This date has the 2 reverse Portcullis types 1 & 2 but it is interesting to note that type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1992 I found that there are 2 distinct reverse variants for this year Rev a – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to right of a border bead (110BB) Rev b – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) 1993 - Has both reverse types of Portcullis but now differs in that Type 2 still pairs up with Rev b of the 1992 penny with 113 border beads; Type 1 now is placed with a legend which has only 109 border beads and were the 1 & P now both point directly to a border bead (as Rev c of the 2000 Penny). From the survey I also found one with the Portcullis link filled in this date. 1994 - As 1991 has both Portcullis types 1 & 2 were type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1995-1999 – all have type 2 reverse with Rev b legend (1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead). 1998 Obverse changes to Forth Portrait. 2000 – Again I found only 2 distinct variants for this year although I note that DaveG found 3 in his survey done back in 2013. However both variants only have the Type 2 Portcullis. Rev b – as 1992 penny 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) Rev c– as 2001 penny the 1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead. (109 BB) 2001-2006 – all again have type 2 reverse but now with Rev c legend characteristics as the 2000 penny (1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead). 2007 – Has both reverse types of Portcullis both with Rev c. 2008 – Again has both reverse types of Portcullis with Rev c. HOPE THAT IS CLEARER........ Thanks all

Thanks Ian, but just continuing to add to the work that Dave started. Probably one of the best things about this Forum, everyone pitching in and making it possible to find new and interesting discoveries. whether people like Decimal coinage or hate it, it is definately a major collecting forum and will only grow in the future. At the rate the coins are dissappearing in our change if we don't start cataloguing now we will lose all the variants and anomilies for the future....... Obverse's I haven't even looked at.............think I will give myself a few weeks to let the eyes settle down QUICK NOTE - the coins above are from circulation issues only. The reverse Type 2 actually makes its first appearance in the 1986 Unciculated & Proof sets.

I have condensed the information from Dave's and my survey into the following: 1971-1984 – Second Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1985-1990 – Third Portrait Obverse with all Type 1 Portcullis 1991 This date has the 2 reverse Portcullis types 1 & 2 but it is interesting to note that type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1992 I found that there are 2 distinct reverse variants for this year Rev a – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to right of a border bead (110BB) Rev b – 1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead (113BB) 1993 - Has both reverse types of Portcullis but now differs in that Type 2 still pairs up with Rev b of the 1992 penny with 113 border beads; Type 1 now is placed with a legend which has only 109 border beads and were the 1 & P now both point directly to a border bead (as Rev B of the 2000 Penny). From the survey I also found one with the Portcullis link filled in this date. 1994 - As 1991 has both Portcullis types 1 & 2 were type 1 legend is the same as Rev a and the type 2 like Rev b of the 1992 penny. 1995-1999 – all have type 2 reverse with Rev b legend (1 of date and P of PENNY are both to left of a border bead). 1998 Obverse changes to Forth Portrait. 2000 – Again I found only 2 distinct variants for this year although I note that DaveG found 3 in his survey done back in 2013. However both variants only have the Type 2 Portcullis. Rev A – as 1999 penny the 1 of date points left of a border bead, P of Penny is to a gap between border beads. (113 BB) Rev B – as 2001 penny the 1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead. (109 BB) 2001-2006 – all again have type 2 reverse but now with Rev B legend characteristics as the 2000 penny (1 of date and P of Penny both point to a border bead). 2007 – Has both reverse types of Portcullis both with Rev B. 2008 – Again has both reverse types of Portcullis with Rev B. 2008-2015 – New Shield Reverse; 2015 -onward Fifth Portrait Obverse. I have not really studied the Shield reverse enough to see any new variants although I do have a 2 ltr tub full, I have lost the will........... Rarity 2008 - Out of 96 pennies only 2 had type 2 ( Daves: 30 type 1 1 type 2) 2000 - out of 94 pennies 64 were Rev A and 30 Rev B 1993 - out of 21 pennies only 7 had type 2 (Daves: 25 type 1 15 type 2) 1992 - out of 15 pennies 5 Rev a and 10 Rev b 1991 - Out of 14 pennies only 2 had type 2 (Daves: 13 type 1 1 type 2) The other dates of 1994 & 2007 seem to be fairly even having almost the same ratio of type 1 & type 2, taken from both mine and Daves survey.

Will do Dave

Just checked beads and as you suspected Ian, the 1992 pennies "Rev a" has 110 bb and "Rev b" has 113 bb. I am now about to photograph the other 2 coin dates which display these characteristic's and see if they are indeed the same. ***UPDATE**** Just checked and both the 1991 & 1994 penny variants both have the same bead counts as the 1992 but with the addition of the Portcullis Type 1 & Type 2 giving the combinations for both 1991 &94: Type 1(Rev a) & Type 2 (Rev b). 1993 still has the combination of Type 2 (Revb) but now the Type 1 is paired up with 1 & P both directly to a bead. Will check the bead count for the latter. ***UPDATE***** 1993 Portcullis Type 1 has only 109 border beads;

Just checked Matt, it was a piece of fluff from the the flip. I do think is due to fill though as as Dave G stated in his post the quality across the board is not brilliant.

Think that could be a speck from the cardboard 2x2 coin flip. Will have another look when I get home.

Will count beads later today and give you results. As for the no rivet variety not sure. It has good lustre so think it could be a filled die definitely not circulation wear. Just strange that it's all the rivets. Also if this is the case then there will be more out there. Its also strange to note that Dave G found one as well but dated 2004.