terrysoldpennies

Richard i sent you a few emails yesterday, please could you let me know if they got to you ok. Terry

Your Right Pete, I must have punch in 175 when I looked in on LCA, and I only count pictured examples as the others on the site may be duplicated or incorrectly allocated . Strange though that I have found 6 - F175s and only 2 - F176s ?

I think the 176 is rarer than the 164a and its grossly under rated both in desirability and value, that doesn't seem though to be uncommon with pennies. just look on LCA and you will only find 2 - 176 mules and yet as you say at very modest prices even for top grade examples. on the other hand there's 7 - 1877 narrow date pennies with an average price 3K even for date only examples. ?

I check all the 1913s that I see that are unattributed, and over the last ten years or so have kept a tally of them, its 5 - 175s to 2 - 176s so far, and that's at all grades . just found another 175, so 6

No problem, I get the Chinese to make you one.

Does that put it back in your price range Richard. ?

Thanks Pete, Down some what from 135K

He does mean 1952 , it was for sale with Rasmussen. Is it with LCA Pete.

What's the betting even after the coinage goes electronic the Mint will still carry on producing this pseudo coinage

Interesting, it looks like they were trying out different designs for some reason. ?

I do agree with you Richard, and I guess that's why Freeman just added a foot note, but I think it is interesting.

The Bronze Coinage of Great Britain Freeman , page 74 number 18 latest edition . I took pictures from all over so as to compile this, so I hope you don't mind , but your right, but my 7 0ver 7 has the narrow ribbon as I note some of the others seem to be of both types.

The ribbon on the 6 is not crinkled the 9 is thick like the 8, and the 10 11 12 have the ribbon pointing down.

I'm surprised to here you say that Richard. Here are three worn examples . 8+h / 7+g / 7+h Note the gap between the ribbons is wider on both the 7s , and if yours are different then there are two types of 7+g F71. I have only found this type on the 1874H

As Richard says the 7 has a narrow ribbon , with the 8 being wide , and as the obv.8 can only be found on Royal Mint 1874s its a good identifier , but it might be of interest to some that the Obv 7 on the 7+g F71 1874H has a slightly wider ribbon than is to be found on the normal Obv 7 . As far as I can tell all the other combinations of 1874 and 1874H with Obv. 7 have the narrowest ribbon. I think I read about this in freeman, who thought it was a transition feature between 7 and 8 , Examples below in order 8 / wide ribbon 7 / narrow ribbon 7

Or this one if you prefer a bit of colour. Anyone can get that effect by just using a blow torch on a bright untarnished bronze coin.

Everything Has been Americanised , one that grates with me is TWO TIMES what's wrong with TWICE, its quicker to say. Most of the words in the English dictionary will disappear in the come decades due to lack of use.

BBC more better English !!!

Back in the 1950s one of my uncles was a printing machine engineer who had the use of a multitude of heavy engineering tools , such as lathes, milling machines etc. and he made all sorts of things , one of which I still have , a two piece male / female metal eye punch, still I must say quite use full , anyway I was a small boy then. and we were talking about how the milling found around a two shilling piece was made. Well he said ow that's easy , I could do that to a penny on a machine at work in no time, well I forgot all about it , and some weeks later when I was again at his house he came out with it. I don't know what became of it , I guess he gave it to his son, and you never know it my be the one in your hands now Pete

That's a secret !!!!

The coin is worn so until a better example is found we will not know for sure. Richards site tends to show a quiet low grade picture , below are two higher grade pictures.

I found that second example of the V over an A quiet recently, and then contacted Richard about it. I said to him that it looks to me as though the coin originally had been made with an A correctly in place , but I guess had then deteriorated with the bar across the A filling , though not completely, being still just about visible . it looks then as though a repair was made, but not using an A , instead an inverted V. My reason for thinking this is that the inner edges of the A / V are clean and crisp , and not in any way ragged at the point where the bar across the A meets the two down strokes. I also sent Richard a picture of a similar A / V , but from a different die, which I found on LCA, this coin shows the ragged edges at the point where the bar joins the inner sides of the A. Now it is impossible to be sure that its a V over A , but that's is what it looks like to me. Terry

I've never come across that type before , it looks like a halfpenny Y has been used in error , Nice find a new unlisted type. There is an 1861 with a normal Y over a small Y. Pic below