terrysoldpennies

Hi Cliff, it does look like the example shown in Goubys book, I would suggest the cause my be die clash , hence its appearance on coins of differing years.

Yes 5+d f26

Received this one yesterday. 1913 F175 Been after a nice one for ages. Terry

Note also Richard, the D in F: D: points just to the left of the tooth on the D* [ 2* ] .

An easy way to distinguish the obv. 2 from the 3 on most coins even when warn' is by the D in F: D: as on the 2 it points to the gap, and on the 3 it points to the tooth.

Its unlikely to be a 4 , the 4 has a very narrow rim , your one looks some what wider around the edge.

This one is a Freeman G, No rock left of lighthouse, Plume almost just a thin line at the end, It could be the 5+g f28 but it is iffy

The signature could be worn off , and the ribbon is to warn to be absolutely clear ,so I wouldn't pay a high price for a possible rare one. Both pics are of the Obv. are you referring to the Freeman D discussed earlier , if so the rev. is a definite D. and the 5+d 1861 is listed as common. Terry

Obverse 5 Large gap between the bust and teeth, with as you say no signature, outer ribbon narrows at the top, on less warn coins it has an incused fold at the top.

A bit tenuous in my view...................... It turns up quite often. perhaps over stated as a colon

Sorry I haven't answered sooner, Going around the coin, the identifying points on the type 6 are . The back of the head almost touches the B in BRITT, this looks wider on some coins as the serif is sometimes missing at the back of the B The triple colon after the D: in F: D: present on many 6s, already mentioned The bottom of the bust has no signature and is close to the teeth Also along the bottom of the bust slightly left of centre is a small bare triangular indentation into the bottom of the bodice , on this example it must have a small dent or something as it appears as a little dark dash to the right of the rose. The colons by D: G: right of the D: point to the tooth, right of the G: point to the gap , worn away on this example. The leaves on her forehead , at a glance look like four equal length points, on other types appear as three. again worn on this coin. Lastly the top of the head is further away from the teeth.

Its a Freeman reverse d , It has a small rock to the left of the Lighthouse and Britannia has a long thin Plume to the helmet . Terry

Beautiful Smooth field , not a mark on it !!!!!!

Hi Mike . It was Bernie who supplied the photo of the F17 to Richard, so maybe he would know more about this penny. Terry

What Jerry and Rob have said is true, I think the 1897 was included by Freeman because the dot was large, perfectly spherical, and set in a position which looked as though I was placed there deliberately . I have many dot / Comer pennies all unlisted, but most are of little interest as they do not significantly increase the appeal of the coin. Terry

Some of you my not have seen this Reverse. Its the Mints example of a pattern reverse, its mono faced and was made for the reverse of the Edward viii penny, but was rejected, probably because the Battleship was considered to Imperial , I only Know of one example in a private collection. Terry

Penny Acquisition of the year for me , just in time for Christmas. f164a Terry

He must have use his metal detector , in a Chinese takeaway.

Fantastic sunset just now.

Right Pete , ill book both of us down for the London Marathon Next year, !!!!!!! Terry

Not necessarily better , just a greater contrast between the two surfaces, and it is after all just a matter of personal taste.

Welcome to the Forum, its a very useful link with the staged comparison pictures. Terry

Unless they continue to use an old proof die, for circulation coins, the first few would look pretty good. Terry

I found this , thought it was interesting. https://www.thespruce.com/cameo-cam-definition-768528

This is the 1967 with the extremely elongated colons. Terry