terrysoldpennies

This is not an 1882 its an 1862 penny as it has an obverse 6 only used up to 1874 . Terry https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Great-Britain-1882-NO-H-One-Penny-Queen-Victoria-HOLLED-NO-RESERVE/272917120131?hash=item3f8b20c483:g:iVIAAOSw5gFZdPkn

I think this may have been caused by a small piece of metal getting itself pressed with part of the obverse image, then being flipped over to face the other way up on top of the next blank about to be pressed, the two pieces of metal,[ the blank and the smaller piece of metal ] were then pressed together ,this would give the brockage, but only over the area where the smaller piece of metal had been. The two pieces of metal must then have parted company , leaving the blank, now a coin looking like yours. Terry

Yes it is . Terry

Just seen this on Ebay, He's showing a genuine known 1933, pic https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-1933-penny/202093087478?hash=item2f0dafcaf6:g:3IQAAOSw8UZZ8SVx

One other identifier is the sea to the right of the coin which touches onto the tooth on the E , but on the D it is to a gap between the teeth.

The P in PENNY on the 2+e points to the tooth, but there is a tiny edge knock , all the other 1909s I have the P point just to the right of the tooth. Terry

Hi , below is my 2+e 1909, as you said the 1 in date should be directly over the tooth, but also the right side down stroke of the N in ONE should point to the gap between the teeth. Terry

It looks to me like its the result of two tiny dents , raising the metal up slightly between them, giving the impression that the two ends of the E are joined.

Hi Gaz and welcome, Have you any great finds to show us . Terry

I can't discern any difference between it and any of the other ribbons , it looks more offset in the picture I know, but as you can see there's a small scratch across the end of the ribbon , and I think it has very slightly damaged it . Terry

1873 penny

Normal colons and rotated normal width colons.

This is a strange one, colons like this are known and listed for some pennies in 1860 and 1861, but are all to be found on Freeman 4+d [gouby G+d] coins , and all are thought to have been made from a batch of dies made without colons in this position ,and then being etched into the die by hand ,there by making the position of the colons vary from one die to the next , this though is an 1873 , and along with all pennies made between 1863 to 1873 is a Freeman 6+g [Gouby J+g]. Until now all seemed to have had the normal width colons, most coins having colons pointing towards the gap, but with a few having them rotated partly onto the tooth. I notice though that the replacement 1874 F7 obverse has the colons rotated to point towards the tooth, but are still of the normal width. Terry

What ever happened to the saying ''The customer is always right'' ?. As to date widths , as you say, its often so obvious a difference that can stand out a mile, but there, it takes all types to make a world. Did you see the picture I posted of the different 1861 penny dates, well they certainly can vary dramatically , as the narrowest date one I showed has the 1 almost climbing on top of the 6, and as to how a date type like that cannot be seen as interesting and desirable beats me. Well soldier on Terry

Hi I must say, I welcome your input, and please do continue as we all can learn from each other. I posted the three types of R plus E as I thought it would be of interested to you. I am very interested in date differences , and do collect differing date widths, some of which are extremely rare . I know many collectors don't bother with them, but interest is growing, as can be seen by the sales recently of an 1896 extremely wide date worn penny on London Coins for £200, and the 1904 narrow date selling at Colin Cooks for £70. Good luck in your collecting. Terry

Here's the 1891 unlisted 16 tooth date width, this one has the gap between R and E, I have another with the letters joined. Terry

I've found three types on the 1890 , your two, and one with the E in REG rotated clockwise making the R and E not line up at the bottom, the E is higher up than the R. I have also open and closed REs on 1889s , and on two 1891 Ex. wide date , unlisted 16 tooth pennies. Pictures of the 1891 later

Yes , you could have something there, Die clash marks from the teeth on a coin grossly out of position, or a piece of a broken reverse die clashing into the obverse die Terry

Hi Ian , Its possibly caused by one of the workers at the Mint accidently dropping the die onto its face creating three tiny dents, which when reversed onto the coin would show as three spikes . Terry

Hi Looking at the pictures you have shown, I note that the one on the left is not completely circular , and that the top right side of the coin is some what straighter than on the right side coin . In fact the one on the right seems wider across the middle of the coin than it is from top to bottom. this I think may account for the different shape at the back of Victorias head. Also the left coin seems to have a weaker image than the right coin, as there is a larger bare patch below the bust , possibly due to die ware , and the high part of the die, [ i e what shows as the field on the coin], has possible been re-polished serving to reduce the depth of that part of the die which gives the queens head. At the same time may be retooling took place to parts of the die , and may be to the rose. just my thoughts, possibly a load of tosh Terry

Just seen this one on Ebay !!! the long teeth show its a Reproduction 33 , and he found it in Norfolk http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONE-PENNY-METAL-DETECTOR-FIND-1933-King-GEORG-IVS-VERY-RARE-ONLY-8-Known-MADE-/182785889026?hash=item2a8ee35302:g:Jy4AAOSw5ShZx7SC

That's fantastic Richard , I missed that one. Terry

Hi Barnzy , Welcome to the forum, It seems to me that most collectors stick to year sets of just say, Bronze or Silver or in all the denominations, but restrict their sets overall parameters to say, Victorian or 20th c or Hammered , milled, Pre Decimal , Decimal etc . Or, as I do, to mostly one or two denominations , in my case mostly Pre. Decimal Pennies which seems to have the most diverse number of varieties , with 1860 alone having over 80 known types . Some are caused by the mint experimenting with different dies , some caused by human error , such as over stamping, and there are also errors caused by die deterioration. New undiscovered types are still turning up today, and its possible for anyone with a sharp eye to come up with another. If though you decide to collect modern decimal coins , most of the differing types are deliberately made by the mint to be scarce, so as to encourage people to collect them. What ever you go for it can be an addictive hobby, and you my find that an increasing amount of money has to be spent to obtain that elusive sought after coin . Terry

How about this one then !!!!!! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1897-DOT-Victoria-Penny-coin-W1897a-Fair-F147-O-NE-very-RARE-/142486494758?hash=item212cdb5e26:g:fpYAAOSwIaFZMHCI

Link to Richards site http://www.headsntails14.wordpress.com/ look under Victoria reverses 1860 .