Hi it' Terry again . Thank's for the wecome . I made an error when I said the V in VICTORIA points to the tooth this should have been the A in VICTORIA, as no other type point directly at the tooth . My studies of the three coins of this type show that they were all poor pressings, and a lot of detail being lost in the hair, and also gives a larger bare patch at the bottom of the bust than the type 2. Also there is overstamping on the legend. The three coins all show a die crack almost right across the coin, but two have the same crack position, but the third has a crack just as long, but in a different place, suggesting there were at least two dies made, as they must have broken up shortly after. Its good to see that Jerry has found one, unless this is one of the two sold by London Coins, as this makes four. My straw poll of the numbers in relation to 2+ds is now about 80 to 3 or 4 , making them Ex. rare. Here is the reverse