terrysoldpennies

I first moved to the country in1973 from London and back in those days the real country accent still existed and a couple of terms stick in my mind, one was a woman that was talking to me about her teacher at school and said HE LEARNED ME WELL also the man next door to me grew TAITERS in his garden .

One other noticeable inconsistency is the count for all of the 1960s pennies in comparison to the entry for 1966 as it is under half the count for each of the other years. I wonder if this is the result of the 10K of coins having been collected in a different area as to where the majority of the 1966s were released, and hadn't had time to spread out across the whole country, or that a large number of them were still in the hands of the banks still awaiting release , even as late as May 1967 when the article was released . ?

It looks to me as though the die has suffered some degree of filling on the top cross bar on the E and the P as the central cross part on both letters is doubled , and that then an E and P have been re-punched slightly out of position over what was left of the old letters. Below is an example of a coin with the G in REG having partly filled and then re-punched incorrectly lower and well out of position , and still leaving the outline of the old G. Over stamps don't seem uncommon on early bronze coins , but if its a different letter or the same letter inverted or rotated through 90 deg , then it becomes much more collectable.

Oh what a good idea , ill just warm up the printer.

I think the expectation on Freemans part was that another would turn up , but as far as I know its still a unique example

The 1920 entry relates to there being to different obverse dies used that year, freeman obverse 2 with the colon dots after the P in IMP pointing to the gap between the teeth, found on all 1920 pennies except for one known example , which has obverse 3 with the same colons pointing directly to the tooth , which I believe is in the British museum . both obverse 2 and 3 are to be found on 1921 pennies , and obverse 3 on 1922 pennies. 1958 halfpenny . They seem to have been experimenting with the dies at the Mint that year, as differing rim and teeth lengths seem to exist . Below are some differences I have found. Freeman shows three reverse types , I think there may be four but with marginal differences . 1 Narrowest rim and shortest teeth spliced together with the widest rim and longest teeth and the ship size differences 2 sections of the four different rims together The tiny differences are not considered important by most collectors so its up to you and your personal opinion.

Sorry Richard ,It was Matts [ Nordle 11 ] picture 29/3/16. I don't think he posted a full coin picture , More Pennies - Page 49 - British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries - British Coin Forum - Predecimal.com.url

if I may put forward another possible cause. If a die is in use and happens to sustain a knock on the top of the die or if die clash is sustained its logical that an engineer would rub the face of the die with something abrasive to try to remove the mark , and a dent on the face would appear in reverse on the coin as a protruding dot or lump . in the course of rubbing down the face the outer edges of the die would have slightly more metal rubbed away than in the central area . Now the waves and rocks are only shallowly incused into the die and if the edge of that die were rubbed away then the shallow waves closest to the edge of the coin would disappear completely . the teeth or beads though are cut deeply into the die and would still show strongly on the coin. Below is a picture of the same coin as Pete's I believe .

It also has an R over R in BRITT Martin , more clearly seen on the Wybrit coin above.

Wow fancy having one of them in the garden, it would sure get some attention.

beautiful colour , is it native only to Australia.

The good news is the chairs all right !!!

Below is a worn F28 . Note the outer ribbon at its top has a fold running down along it , and the ribbon itself pinches in at the top towards the knot . only the 5 and the 6 have this and it looks to be the same on your second picture down. Its not a 6 because the top of Victoria's head would be closer to the teeth . So yes I think its an F28.

Can you give a close up of the ribbons to be sure.

Good luck with the test Richard , and get well soon. Terry

I must confess I didn't won't to show my ignorance but , JB ???

I would have said the penny is a 9+j F97A. Victoria on the obverse 9 appears to be looking forward , whereas on the 8 she seems to be looking downwards . The 9 also has the R in REG pointing slightly to the right of the tooth , and as we know that can be difficult to see clearly on some pictures in this case the R does seem to favour just to the right of the tooth.

It looks like a Ankh the Egyptian key of life .

Hi Zo . Funnily enough as you may know I bought a 1922 dot on trident penny recently , and was having a really good close up look at the dot with the magnifying glass, only to discover a minute crack running from the teeth down along the right side of the centre prong of the trident . The crack is hard to see as it blends in with the scratching damage on the face of the die . This dot is of course circular and not elongated at all. I had a count up of all the dot pennies and found that six are elongated , and show a crack running off or extremely close to the dot/comma. I've just three with almost perfectly circular dots two of which have a tiny crack running off the dot . The only one I have with no sign of a crack at all is the 1897 dot , but Freeman states that an example was found showing a tiny crack nearby . I don't have an 1870 dot or the cannon ball 1875 which look to be circular in shape. My thoughts on the drilling of a hole at the end of a crack in order to stop it spreading would only work on a flat sheet , in this case the die is a deep block of metal , and a crack would run extremely deep down into that block , perhaps as deep as an inch [2.5 cm] or more, and it would seem to me that drilling down to that depth with a drill bit of 1mm or less would be near impossible . Any shallow drilled hole would be ineffective as the crack would continue to spread deep within the die Picture Terry

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1937 Proof missing sea and with no horizon around the lighthouse. Found this If any of you are interested , its now on Richards list.

I think someone has found one recently. Probably Pete. I do remember that it was a beauty. You'd not need another! Jerry showed us a VF he found recently. I also found one about VF, I posted on here with !! A BLOODY GREAT FILLED HOLE IN IT !!

That's Dr Jerry , a Time Lord

Obv.

1922 dot on Trident . Very pleased to pick this one up.