terrysoldpennies

yes , I agree your middle example looks just like my 1860 Gouby Vc coin pictured below, but with the 1861 reverse .

This one was up for auction at a starting price at £2.80 with no offers. Then it disappeared only to turn up as sold for £47. Its a Satin 28a. I only know of three, Bernie's one on Richards site, this one, and one other [No pic.] 1861 Freeman 4+D Centrally cut ribbon with misaligned colon after F:D: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/205436457401?_skw=1861+penny&itmmeta=01JSA06W8S3BFBQPH51PKENESB&hash=item2fd4f791b9:g:IdcAAeSwbtRoA5S2&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1d%2BQkGYEEyLO3zLsTXIJEyWIa6xLVpE35IrDPBn9qmxFJkZt0i3drt54CP8OXL5UPAyG9trH%2BjDR7UMWMpvhzXH7myS8d%2Fd4JBE1laG5KNccTvpGKw7T3DMCEV3fO2Z6ITP0C3rgaINuxjo1RJL3idV2kEdE6qQm5oTP8%2B54xIdtP6%2FNX7G4Fll3veMNqzHmOvE7pQB5hccRPNsdluyKgyyudwU1IYz%2FJ0ybeGiPjwjhGC%2FihHVRDDaM0DEYNiUFa8tAWHkXoIIu%2BkvuOEnUgrA|tkp%3ABk9SR8zEm8DKZQ

1874 Penny Freeman 67 6+H Interesting coin this one . It seems to me that the F67 is much harder to find than the R12 rating given by Freeman , especially so in high grade . I could only find five examples ever sold on London Coins , and this seems to be the same with the F68 6+H Heaton rated R13 . This example interestingly also has an over stamped 7 in the date which I have not managed to find on any other example with this die combination. ??

I thought these two coins would be good examples of what Rob was saying . Here's a really clear example of a die clash image being transferred onto the reverse side , Note how sharp the outline of the queens head is right around Britannia . But on the George v coin below which shows extreme ghosting, the outline is softer and is formed by a slight depression forming the outline of the kings head, caused as Rob say's by the flow of metal .

1908 Freeman 164a e,bay find , rare in this grade much better than nearly all finds out there

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A very strange thing happened on ebay this evening . A 1863 Narrow 3 came up for auction at 6 o,clock with a starting price of 5£ . I straight away placed it in my favorites box , but also copied the pictures . I looked in a couple of times during the evening to see if any bids had been place , and none were. Then again I looked in at 10.30 , and to my surprise it took me to an 1861 coin . Now, I know I'm getting on a bit but I'm not that senile just yet. On my favorites it still says 1863, and to prove it the pictures are below.

Welcome to the forum Mike. You didn't say exactly what your interest is , but what ever it is , good hunting.

1930 missing sea. as far as I know undiscovered and unlisted . One for Richards list ! Maybe .

The rarity ratings attributed by Freeman are as accurate as could have been made at that time , but new types discovered since then would have suffered from the mass meltdown in the 1970s , where as the numbers of scarce and rare types known by Freeman and other collectors would have been enhanced , due to searching for and including into their collections , and hording , a good example would be the 1951 penny

I cant work out if your being serious or not Richard , it has to be a die crack running right through the 6 . Its not April fools day yet 😂 Some of us remember your Uncirculated narrow date 1877 !!!

Hopefully you've all had a good Christmas, and as its now over I have a new type for the New Year . I'm sure most of you know that there are two types of 1905 penny listed, the F160 with the E in PENNY pointing to the gap between the teeth [ early type] , and the F161 with the rotated E pointing to the tooth [late type]. Well I noticed some time ago that some of the F160s have a small zero in the date, this by its self seemed of little importance , but I later realised that all of the pennies with the large zero , both F160s and F161s all have the straight bottoms to the Es in PENNY, whereas the small zero type, on all the examples I have managed to find , have the wavy bottomed Es. The straight and wavy Es were both in use from 1899 through to 1905, but only the straight type from then on. The small zero was used from 1901 to 1905, and after this the large zero from 1905 to 1908. This means that it is a transitional type reverse die used between the 1904 F159 and the 1905 F160. It also suggests that the differing bottoms to the Es, was a Font change, rather than a warn die creation. As if it was caused by wear, then you would expect to find at least some of the F160s and the F161s with the large zeros to have the wavy Es . Terry Top :- New type F160 Middle :- F160 Bottom :- F161

Welcome to the H. Hope your health improves, and long may you continue to collect . Terry

There is one you've forgotten Ian , The cross between the Shytzu and the Poodle , A Shytpoo. Friendly but very messy

And may you all have a healthy and prosperous new year . Terry

I acquired this rare 1901 Gouby Aa with the second 1 directly over the gap recently . 😊

The letter underneath looks to be the original R which has partly filled, and has then been over punched on the die with another R . The ones with a different letter are all very sought after, or with the same letter rotated and over punched , but not really with the same letter re punched more or less in the same position.

And with top security postage of £1.65 😂

Why don't E.bay stop this kind of thing. !! Obviously a fake !! One Penny Coin | eBay Mind you I can't see anybody being mug enough to buy it ?

Ah well Pete we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Below is a 1953 Cameo I gave to Richard , and as you can see it has Minute scratches across the field , but none of them cross onto the queens effigy which is clearly frosted . it is the same on the 1898 penny, and it would be impossible to polish the field alone without running over onto the raised surfaces .

You could be right Martin , but the light when taking pictures can play some funny tricks . One thing is common to both coins though, is the tooth to the right side of the 8 has been cut on an angle to accommodate the positioning of the 8 over the tooth .

I must say that I agree and disagree with you Pete, You must remember you gave me a beautiful wide date 1898 penny , well it has the appearance of a cameo as on close inspection the effigy of the King and of Britannia are matt finished , but the field is semi polished but also has some scratch marks . These scratches run in absolutely straight lines up to the effigy , but not onto them , indicating they were made to the surface of the die or onto the planchet in the Mint before being pressed . Pic. below. In the case of Kipsters coin , also an exactly the same 1898 wide date penny with the effigies appearing to be Matt finished with the field semi polished and with scratches running in absolutely straight lines right up to and straight through the legend with no curving as it crosses the raised up letters, as it would do if you scratched across a coin. On Kipsters penny though it does look as though it my have been lightly polished around Britannia's arm . ?

I would think the quick answer to that is no, as I would consider both the bisecting types to rarer.