terrysoldpennies

It looks more like a spot of corrosion to me than a proper dot ?

Have you seen the E over R VICTOEIA 1856 farthing . This one is mine , not perfect but 😊

Not my coin .😟

Sorry but I don't think that's the small 0 date type . Top ones the small 0 F160 middle normal F160 bottom F161

Maybe that's why they changed from the F174 with It's uneven pressing between the two sides to the F177. They were trying to eliminate the ghosting at this time , and its possibly premature ware affecting the reverse side on early types caused by the week low rim that brought about the change. ?

F176

I thought I'd share a couple of rather nice rare finds . Both the rare 1913 mules. F175 below

I'm not Richard but I agree . I think its an F78

One possible explanation could be that the letters in question have been re punched to hard , which would result in a deeper indentation into the die resulting in a bigger wider and longer letter . I have seen this on the date digits on some of the Victorian pennies. Im sure I have a picture some where , I'll see if I can find it . Note the 9 in the two date examples below

yes , I agree your middle example looks just like my 1860 Gouby Vc coin pictured below, but with the 1861 reverse .

This one was up for auction at a starting price at £2.80 with no offers. Then it disappeared only to turn up as sold for £47. Its a Satin 28a. I only know of three, Bernie's one on Richards site, this one, and one other [No pic.] 1861 Freeman 4+D Centrally cut ribbon with misaligned colon after F:D: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/205436457401?_skw=1861+penny&itmmeta=01JSA06W8S3BFBQPH51PKENESB&hash=item2fd4f791b9:g:IdcAAeSwbtRoA5S2&itmprp=enc%3AAQAKAAAA4FkggFvd1GGDu0w3yXCmi1d%2BQkGYEEyLO3zLsTXIJEyWIa6xLVpE35IrDPBn9qmxFJkZt0i3drt54CP8OXL5UPAyG9trH%2BjDR7UMWMpvhzXH7myS8d%2Fd4JBE1laG5KNccTvpGKw7T3DMCEV3fO2Z6ITP0C3rgaINuxjo1RJL3idV2kEdE6qQm5oTP8%2B54xIdtP6%2FNX7G4Fll3veMNqzHmOvE7pQB5hccRPNsdluyKgyyudwU1IYz%2FJ0ybeGiPjwjhGC%2FihHVRDDaM0DEYNiUFa8tAWHkXoIIu%2BkvuOEnUgrA|tkp%3ABk9SR8zEm8DKZQ

1874 Penny Freeman 67 6+H Interesting coin this one . It seems to me that the F67 is much harder to find than the R12 rating given by Freeman , especially so in high grade . I could only find five examples ever sold on London Coins , and this seems to be the same with the F68 6+H Heaton rated R13 . This example interestingly also has an over stamped 7 in the date which I have not managed to find on any other example with this die combination. ??

I thought these two coins would be good examples of what Rob was saying . Here's a really clear example of a die clash image being transferred onto the reverse side , Note how sharp the outline of the queens head is right around Britannia . But on the George v coin below which shows extreme ghosting, the outline is softer and is formed by a slight depression forming the outline of the kings head, caused as Rob say's by the flow of metal .

1908 Freeman 164a e,bay find , rare in this grade much better than nearly all finds out there

Obverse

A very strange thing happened on ebay this evening . A 1863 Narrow 3 came up for auction at 6 o,clock with a starting price of 5£ . I straight away placed it in my favorites box , but also copied the pictures . I looked in a couple of times during the evening to see if any bids had been place , and none were. Then again I looked in at 10.30 , and to my surprise it took me to an 1861 coin . Now, I know I'm getting on a bit but I'm not that senile just yet. On my favorites it still says 1863, and to prove it the pictures are below.

Welcome to the forum Mike. You didn't say exactly what your interest is , but what ever it is , good hunting.

1930 missing sea. as far as I know undiscovered and unlisted . One for Richards list ! Maybe .

The rarity ratings attributed by Freeman are as accurate as could have been made at that time , but new types discovered since then would have suffered from the mass meltdown in the 1970s , where as the numbers of scarce and rare types known by Freeman and other collectors would have been enhanced , due to searching for and including into their collections , and hording , a good example would be the 1951 penny

I cant work out if your being serious or not Richard , it has to be a die crack running right through the 6 . Its not April fools day yet 😂 Some of us remember your Uncirculated narrow date 1877 !!!

Hopefully you've all had a good Christmas, and as its now over I have a new type for the New Year . I'm sure most of you know that there are two types of 1905 penny listed, the F160 with the E in PENNY pointing to the gap between the teeth [ early type] , and the F161 with the rotated E pointing to the tooth [late type]. Well I noticed some time ago that some of the F160s have a small zero in the date, this by its self seemed of little importance , but I later realised that all of the pennies with the large zero , both F160s and F161s all have the straight bottoms to the Es in PENNY, whereas the small zero type, on all the examples I have managed to find , have the wavy bottomed Es. The straight and wavy Es were both in use from 1899 through to 1905, but only the straight type from then on. The small zero was used from 1901 to 1905, and after this the large zero from 1905 to 1908. This means that it is a transitional type reverse die used between the 1904 F159 and the 1905 F160. It also suggests that the differing bottoms to the Es, was a Font change, rather than a warn die creation. As if it was caused by wear, then you would expect to find at least some of the F160s and the F161s with the large zeros to have the wavy Es . Terry Top :- New type F160 Middle :- F160 Bottom :- F161

Welcome to the H. Hope your health improves, and long may you continue to collect . Terry

There is one you've forgotten Ian , The cross between the Shytzu and the Poodle , A Shytpoo. Friendly but very messy