terrysoldpennies

Hi Mike To answer your question I personally have only seen four of the Aa type . Below is a picture of the four types I have come across . Top is Ac with the 1 directly over the tooth [ I have seen about six of this type]. Next down is the normal common type Ab with the 1 slightly to the left of the tooth but the 1 its self is almost touching the tooth . Third down is very similar to Ab but the 1 is more to the left of tooth and importantly has a gap between it and the tooth { not listed by Gouby as its to similar to the common Ab type} bottom is Aa with the 1 directly over the gap between the teeth , all three of the rare types have that space between the 1 and the row of outer teeth, as Pete has already said

One mans meat is another mans poison . Here's one I have . There not very sort after but are pretty rare. Also in the same vein this one my interest you , Its a 1940 penny with two filled letters the only example I've ever seen.

Nice one Pete .

Ahh yes It does look a little that way , but actually I took a picture of the obverse without any problem but then when I tried to photo the reverse, the 2 was almost missing , as It is weakly struck and someone has scratched across the date , so I had to find a different lighting situation , hence it was laid down on another surface . I'll have to remember that next time.

1862 2+G F38 Another rare slot in the collection filled

I'm sorry to say Paddy I think Its a 7+G . The outer Ribbon is too narrow and has a large gap between the two ribbons Ribbons on the 8

Ow yes the thrill of the chase . !!!!!!

Minor modifications were probably quite often made, and I guess we will never know all of them. Many years ago I looked into minor changes made to the 1958 Halfpenny with different teeth lengths and rim widths. All were done on a scanner so as to have exactly the same proportions with no distorted pictures, and the result was four types. Even the ship size varies as shown with two differing coins spliced together. below

It might have been that two or more Working dies were struck with just the 192 with the last digit 6 being stamped on separately before use .

Fu Funnily Enough I sent a message to Richard at exactly the same time as you posted here Martin saying exactly the same thing, but that because both ME coins have the small Britanniar neither coin could have been modified post Mint as this obverse and reverse had never been present together on any other year penny , So therefore both must be Experimental dies from the Mint

I think the problem is Paddy that without the broken/smaller tooth above the colon , you would be had put to convince a buyer that its a Recessed ear type . Below is my coin which has a very slight damaged colon tooth , also another picture of a worn coin which is clearly a recessed ear, but you can see that the tooth is intact but very slightly smaller than the other teeth. If I were you I think I would try to find one with one of those faults on the colon tooth .

I'll have to pass on that question for now Richard , but I will let you know in due course

Obverse

1863 Slender 3 F44 Well I just can't believe my luck on this one, I never thought I'd ever manage to get my hands on one of these 🤩

This is just about the most extreme example I have come across !!! An 1862 penny Note the half circle on Victoria's back , its the shield from the reverse side . The extra ribbons are created from the folds in Britannia's. dress

It was probably a badly formed planchet .

I can only real talk about my observations on copper or bronze pennies, as that is my major interest . I find that over stamped letters/ numbers are extremely common on coins up to about 1863 though some can still be seen through to the 20th century . The last I think being 1945. The ones that are of interest to me and I would guess a lot of collectors are the ones that are dramatically out of place or triple struck . Some examples below Triple struck Y quite sort after , note the G and D overstruck but of little interest Here's Y over Y dramatically out of place 8 over 8 And just look at this one !!

I think that's a Gouby Ba narrower date type as Ian [ alfnail ] says . Terry

It looks like the picture of the coin sold on London Coins in auction 180 5/3/2023

I've had another really good look at the two pictures and I feel sure I can see many duplicated marks on both pictured examples [ arrow marked ] ??? Your coin on right

Sorry about that Richard but it does look like No 11 . And I've also made a slip up above as its a 4+D 🙃

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Here's one more for your list If you want it Richard an f22 1861 2+D with missing top leaf .

Its example 11 on your list Richard.

Well the answer to that is with difficulty . Firstly the 1915 is rarer than the 1916 and that most collectors associate the type with the broken tooth and want it to be clearly visable . And so without it, its really hard to tell from a photograph, but in hand its easier to determine the depression in the centre of the coin. Below are four pictures of the tooth gradually looking more broken Note in the top picture the tooth looks to be intact, but on closer inspection it is actually very slightly smaller . really hard to see on a coin. ?