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I found I had a farthing but it is different made of brass I assume yours is the iron covered by copper version although yours seems to point to the middle of the W in which case yours is also a new variety #810 truncation to D and ~ 811 truncation to the second V of W
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This also appears to be a new variety made of Brass rather than iron coated copper Rogers #810 and #811 sorry I had not noticed I had a farthing
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This is a new variety of the HALF PENNY made of iron coated with copper as opposed the one listed Rogers # 805 made of Brass
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The Penny this one appears to be a new variety not listed . It is iron with a smaller Britannia and the portrait is different with the truncation pointing to the to the D Rogers # 800 and 801 one of the copper and one iron have the truncation pointing to the centre of the W in the copper and to the last V of the W in the iron version
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three pence the first has the nose pointing towards the M nd has a beaded border cf. the toothed border on the others
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The three pence also is a little complicated it may be that some of these are Rogers #822 large crown but the bust is not really that hairy but cannot be assigned to any other maker type
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sixpence there are three types listed but for some reason I think there are four as mentioned by Rogers
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The Shilling, Rogers # 787 points to the last V of the W and # 788 points to the D. My notes in the book suggest one of these might be a 3rd type which points to the first V of the W
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I will take a look for you. Yes it is in no image #243 but he did not have one he just says it is reported but he had not seen one.
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Half Crown #4
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The Half Crown Looking at these two I can see they are different there are design elements in different places. Clearly the first is very different the back of the head is placed with the truncation to the D and the others the W. The lettering is also larger this must be Rogers #780
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I have not found any variation in the shilling cf. Rogers but only having 3 it is difficult to say if this is just a numbers game. I had intended not to take photos ut I think I will just to have better images for others to compare I should go back and do the same for the Crown, half crown. The Crown This type seems not to be listed in Rogers the truncation points to the first V of the W not the centre . So there must be at least 4 varieties. as the other either point centre of the W ~ 775; #776;#777 points to the D
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I have wondered why people that like miniature dolls house stuff dont collect them, I think they have played quite an important role teaching children (girls) house keeping in Victorian times. Something wonderful happened the other day I received a very nice George III two pence (silvered) when it arrived I noticed it very light , eventually I realised I had an apprentice piece...the bizarre thing inside was a small packet containing a whole set of the Royal Family tokens from the windsor Castle boxes. The irony is I have always wanted a smuggler coin. I think it only cost me $40
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are those R's instead of E's ? I am trying to think where I have placed my model coins.... my gothic copper ones as above are both 1848 I had not realised there was an 1849
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yes they are very rare . I have quite a few doubles though. I have paid upto about £30 each for them I have only just received the last set my only real interest in buying more than one is often in search of new varieties. Some like the Flying Eagle I think there might be only about 15 known. But listen I have 4 I really don't need them all. I only bought them over from the US because I thought there were not many over in Europe. Frustrates me a little too hence starting this thread I thought it might get a few people interested. A couple of years ago I found a small hoard of an unlisted type of Alfonso the XIII baby heads 25 pts usually what I do is donate them to the charity and sell them for them. I sold 20 of them at about £25 each simply because Pay Pal were doing a fantastic almost unbelievable offer to the charity of multiplying anything I sold times 5 in the end I managed to raise nearly £30,000 , £25,000 given by ebay and Paypal. I am always happy to sell them to other collectors for the charity. As long as I have a set I am happy. Let me know I am not too interested in making profit on them
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I have collected them all off ebay over the last 5 years. I have not bought many the last year I wouldn't know where to begin outside ebay. I have several hundred now. It's been one of the most interesting things I've collected since I started collecting 7 years ago. I sometimes find small hoards with 40 or 50 of the same type which has made wonder if they were distributed in a number of different ways. My sets come mostly the US. I think I'm almost done collecting now though .
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reverse difference
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the reverses Both the lettering and some of the design is different on the large letter type and in the small letter type this one has an F double struck then moved
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Variations in the Two shillings Florin: Firstly the new obverse above with the star, The modelling of the portrait is very different and the nose points to either the M or the O on OMN. The distance below the portrait varies to the legend. Two are listed in Rogers # 785 and 786. I have found a fourth type with large lettering. There is also variation in the reverses one the plumes touch the inner circle, one is slightly off and the other far away . There is also variation in the level of the sea which is best seen looking at the S . Suggesting again that 4 different runs were made or that the work was completed by different engravers working slightly differently and these may have been brought together and cut into the same dies or they were produced independently.
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no none of the "coppers" have dates in the Book . The Star* below the head only exists in the Half crown and the half Crown it would be interesting to see if either match that obverse
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i had thought a dentist might be our best bet.....he/ she has about an equal chance of working out these teeth
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such a great connection
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that then the * under the head is interesting none of mine have it so perhaps there are 4 varieties again yours my additional variant and the ones in Rogers....I need to clean some carpets so the limitations of having low down dogs (sausage dogs) means I have to clean the stairs ...so will list them later . I suppose this is the interesting thing in these more fringe areas there are new discoveries to be added. I am glad someone else is interested
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Oh yes that is the same obverse as the Half crown then ? on one of mine the sea level is different
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yes they are rare I think this is why we do not have a full compliment of varieties and the task of examining them and taking images has improved a lot since the publication of the book. I hope Galata books might update the images
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