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if you want a free copy of the book by Thomas Engelen on cardboard coins register on the link below and search for cardboard coins. It is fascinating and astonishing sometimes that these paper coins survive and often in such wonderful condition. It connects through games and educational sets the learners with coinage when coins wee important and essential in lives. I suppose these days you just give the kids a credit card ( old fashioned) or more realistically a phone and it begins to control the lives from year dot to death. Welcome to the Internet Archive, one of the largest digital libraries in the world and home of the history of the Web! We’re so glad you’ve decided to join our community of digital archivers from around the world. With your free account you can enjoy: 4.6 million books 6 million videos 14 million audio items (including 220,000 live music concerts) 580,000 software titles You also have the ability to leave reviews, connect with other patrons, and even upload your own material to the collections. Want to jump right in? Here’s a quick guide to using your account! As a 501c3 nonprofit dedicated to sustaining our digital history and culture for generations to come, we make all of our collections available for free. Your support is essential to helping the Archive survive, thrive, and grow—so if you find our resources useful, please chip in to help us ensure Universal Access to All Knowledge. Thanks for joining us, and enjoy the archive! The Internet Archive Team www.archive.org
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I heard back from Thomas about the coatings and the references are in the German Toy Coin book by Gunter Achoff here is his reply : Coatings by Lauer : Lauer produced over a long period of time & varied the coatings meanwhile. You ll find a good guidance in the “Deutsches Kinderspielgeld” with most produced were Uncoated (“Natur”), or coated with tin or nickel, more rarely silver. The “golden” coins are mostly made of brass, if coated with messing. See series 24, 26, 28, 30 and 32 especially.
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these cardboard coins I found recently appear to be from the game "The Auctioneer " below. I had missed the reference in the book by Thomas Engelen
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interesting I always thought it was a humidity related issue thanks for that
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iron yes or zinc or this "white metal"
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I agree I would think Aluminium would have been too expensive I too might go with some alloy of tin and nickel tin is pretty easy to control melting at such a low temperature the only thing that makes me question tin is it is pretty reactive and will quickly degrade ( which may explain some of the finds which may have dried to the oxide and rubbed off quickly) the lustre is still very strong after 140 years on most. They were manufactured between 1870 and most in the 1880's
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I have only had a very brief glimpse at Rogers and so far cannot see much reference to materials . I will ask Gunter and Thomas they may have looked into it . It is an interesting question
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Thank you, yes I think that is all it is
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Halfpenny ID check
DrLarry replied to mrbadexample's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
there is a lot of variation in these 1870's half pennies , I have only ever really concentrated on the early 1860's but this thread has opened my eyes ...thanks -
Ijust wanted to take a quick look back to the florin and see if there is a variation I am looking at the number of pearls in the crown I thought at first they are different but just as likely down to slight blockages
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letter variations? to me the negative space between the letters differs looking at the H and the I and the width of the S
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It is possible there is some minor variation in the thickness of the lettering on the reverse however sometimes these things look different if the coating is complete . this is the example which is much thicker but could just as easily be explained away by variation in the sheet from which they are pressed
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the damage to the R on the normal and the R on the thicker one
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Rogers only describes one type of young head shilling #415 and certainly within the four I have I can see absolute similarity in the lettering and the design elements. Flaws such as on the R's on the Obverse match All are iron coated silver and they are pretty common. I am unsure of the following statement: I have a fifth that seems thicker than the rest the edge stands slightly sharper than even the uncirculated ones I have from the set this could of course be nothing more than slight variation in the metal from which it is pressed although this one appears not to have the "blockage or break" to the R's. it does weigh 0.05 gram heavier and i'd say 0.2 mm thicker If we assume these early "young Heads" are the first of the Lauer series, whilst they are not uncommon, perhaps we can think that a new product presented to the market might well have been made in smaller numbers than subsequent issues in the 1880's. Discuss.
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I think I got to the silver
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I should continue on with the young head Lauer coins of Queen Victoria in the mean time .
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I am happy to say that we may soon be getting a lot more discussion going as Thomas Engelen will hopefully be joining in on some of the thread. He has just published the update of Gunter Aschoff's work and also a wonderfully helpful new publication available on Cardboard coins. He like Gunter believes the circular box with the skyline of Nuremberg content is not original. He has found several other designs for the boxes other than the 4 I mentioned , Gunter already has shown in his work how varied the boxes are. So things are looking up I know David Caves (cardboard coin collector) has also tried to register on the forum but there may be an issue with his email. In time I am sure new things will come up and or we can compare observations and I am happy there will be more of us.
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but at the very least these sellers keep everyone amused.... perhaps it's like stand up at the comedy coin club
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certainly looks as if she has had a few late nights -
yeah true but I suppose you can eat the beans ..peas or nuts
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A new lead and access to the book on German toy coins with additions by Thomas Engelen is now available on the free portal at Newman Numismatics portal message from him yesterday : I have therefor updated both these two works but also added new finds, plus expanded their scope. They have been posted on-line for free consultation and download at the Newman Numismatic Portal, Washington University, St. Louis, USA. On these two : Cardboard coins of Great Britain 1847 – 1980, including those for the commonwealth countries. An expansion of the David Evans work (Galata ), with many additional coins but also some new series (a near complete 1897 Diamond jubilee series for instance), and now including the toy / post office / play boxes of which these cardboard coins were part of. Includes a guide to rarity and pricing, however subjective that may be. As a “teaser” the cardboard Gothic Crown 1847 on its cover, Deutsches Kinderspielgeld, an update and expansion of the work by Günter Aschoff but with 15 new series & it now also lists the toy banknotes, additional toy boxes, plus the details of coin s by Lauer, Balmberger, Mayer struck for 20 countries. The catalogue is in German, the part on 20 “export” countries in English.
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yes the horse foreshortened is nicely done
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There is a degree of absolute blind faith in the NGC it would not shock me if this would lead to a re-writing of the text books as a new variety
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The company L. Chr. Lauer from Nuremberg Already in 1430 the guild of the Rechenpfennig-beaters, later also affectionate Brass scraper or called Dantesmacher, mentioned in the Nuremberg Chronicle. Here is to look for the roots of the "Lauer" company. It is mentioned by name in 1730 Association with the production of "kitsch objects and inexpensive metal objects". In 1790 Ernst Ludwig Sigmund Lauer 1762 -1845 founded one Penny Brawl Workshop. This company was managed by Johann Jakob Lauer from 1790 to 1865 further and in 1847 his son L. Christoph Lauer took over the factory from 1817 to 1873. Circa1850 Ludwig Christian Lauer already had a supremacy in Germany and that in the Time when the "German Guild of Toy Manufacturers" in Europe created the e I have taken a look and all the other companies listed do not really seem to start until at earliest 1850. Lauer stretches back a long way. That is not to say that these numerous spiel markes could not date later than 1850 ( Balmberger) many I have are stamped with Lauers name. Not that I have a lot of them
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1. Game money for board, dice and card games, with stakes and winnings. Coins were included with complex board games. In 1850, for example, the board game was "King of China" already provided with punched brass coins. For second quality games cardboard coins were used, and the players were left with the cheap games left to make up the gains or the losses with peas, buttons or nuts.
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