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ROB - WORDS OF WISDOM

I'm not a hammered man, but I echo your thoughts on how it is that dedicated collectors can see their sold collections become the basis of a standard reference. The other way is to "do a Peck" or "do a Freeman' and publish a reference work. That piece is very handsome by the way - I love the way that realistic portraits appear from later Henry VII onwards as the Renaissance bites, and the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge. Hi, maybe on a forum I should be more general as a hobby, we all collect different numismatic material. I also used to collect British pennies and Peck and Michael Freeman and other reference works were my daily assistant. I never did get an 1869 penny. I think I was the first to spot the 1865/3 penny. Silly me never kept it. You have some of the most stunning coins I have ever seen... thank you for sharing them! I don't collect hammered at the moment, but can see the attraction and may well get there one day. I do have an 1869 but it's not the best specimen (unfortunately, someones had a go at cleaning it in the past): that 1869 looks very nice - put on a piece of ok and leave a couple of years well I wans once told this

I'm not a hammered man, but I echo your thoughts on how it is that dedicated collectors can see their sold collections become the basis of a standard reference. The other way is to "do a Peck" or "do a Freeman' and publish a reference work. That piece is very handsome by the way - I love the way that realistic portraits appear from later Henry VII onwards as the Renaissance bites, and the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge. Hi, maybe on a forum I should be more general as a hobby, we all collect different numismatic material. I also used to collect British pennies and Peck and Michael Freeman and other reference works were my daily assistant. I never did get an 1869 penny. I think I was the first to spot the 1865/3 penny. Silly me never kept it.

I'm not a hammered man, but I echo your thoughts on how it is that dedicated collectors can see their sold collections become the basis of a standard reference. The other way is to "do a Peck" or "do a Freeman' and publish a reference work. That piece is very handsome by the way - I love the way that realistic portraits appear from later Henry VII onwards as the Renaissance bites, and the kings on coins no longer look like Worzel Gummidge.

THAT IS ONE GREAT MM SCEPTER COIN - WAITING FOR IT TO ARRIVE IN THE POST HMMMMMMMM

The luck and the making of luck having our children join our hobby. Although this is not British it is British related as Jonathon remembers all the coins we acquire. This is the first time he enjoys research to learn about currency. How my youngest son 25 who knows we collect British & Roman became more interested in Numismatics recently ? 30 years ago I was paid for work done and with the money I acquired a mixed bag of Ottoman coins which I put away. These were days when a bag of coins would be melted for the silver value. Ottoman coins were not the most beautifully struck coins; in fact many were just awful. Several months ago I started to look at these and Jonathon assisted me to start sorting them. This was at the start of 2011, the other day we looked again and had a new book and Jonathon began to sort out the dates, what they were and were from in the Empire. Learned the Arabic alphabet, how each mint was written on the coin and has begun to understand the different Pasha and there Tugra of the sultan and other markings on the coins. One of the coins was this interesting piece from a mint at Gümüshane TURKEY: Sultan Mahmud I, 1730-1754, AR kurush (26.49g), Gümüshane, AH1143, KM-212. NP-568, initial #10, great strike with virtually no weakness at all. Gümüshane, The name literally means "silver house". It is composed of Turkish gümüş (silver) and the Persian خانه hane=khane (House). A small silver mining town now on the highway between Erzurum and Trabzon. The only coins I found bearing the name was during the Ottoman period during the reign of Mahmud I. There was a time many years ago that the “rag and bone man†or “new for old†would go from village to village collect old brass plates, many silvered and occasionally amongst the plates you would find plates with the ‘Tugra’ of the Sultan or maker embossed. Interested to understand more about such embossing on a plate ?

That is a staggeringly beautiful coin. I can well understand why you were smitten. Its age and historicity is only part of the appeal, it shines also in its own right. Yes, I have migrated from date runs of pennies and halfcrowns (which I loved) and sixpences and farthings (which were affordable) - and became a type collector quite a number of years ago. But even there, I now ask myself, "what constitutes a TYPE"? A few years back I would have said "it means I must have one of each denomination within each obverse issue, per reign". But now I say to myself "Why bother with a very common and persistent reverse type (e.g. silver 3d) when you have larger denominations for those obverses?" The same applies with sixpences, and many other types. Yet now I have moved on even further. I look at the second and third reverse types of George IV halfcrown - unique types - and think "Actually I hate those reverses." And I keep them only for the obverse. So the type collection has become more dictated by what I actually like. And beyond even that - there are the questions of "how far down the varieties line does one go?" and "how far down the rarities path does one go?". So now, if I was putting a collection of George VI pennies together in BU, I'd go with : - one of 1937, 38, or 39 - the 1940 single exergue line - a 1944 or 45 Mint toned - either a 1950 or 51 Similarly with Edward VII halfcrowns in as high a grade as I could afford : - either 1902 or 1910 UNC - either 1904 NVF or 1903 GF - 1905 Fair+ So it's a mix of types and rarities that both appeal to me and which I can afford. The latter being not even on the same planet as you Rob. Though you make a good point about not looking at what other people have in their collections. I have begun to love early milled in the last decade or so, but these are now frighteningly unaffordable in any grade worth having. I console myself with the truth (and it is a truth) that the reverse designs were scarily and unimaginatively repetitive from Charles II all the way through to George II - essentially the same design on all silver coins (though with subtle variations and interesting byways involving harps, crowns, plumes, roses, LIMA, Edinburgh, etc), and largely the same on coppers. THIS CHAT IS GREAT, A PERSONS COLLECTION IS VERY PERSONAL, A GOOD FEELING AND HAPPY FACTOR OF BEING ABLE TO CHAT, POST COMMENTS, EXCHANGE THOUGHTS IS A GREAT PART OF WHAT MAKES US COLLECTORS. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU COLLECT WEL WORN VICTORIAN BUN PENNIES (I ONCE BOUGHT A SMALL BAG OF THEM), WHAT MATTERS IS EACH PERSONS COLLECTION IS IMPORTANT.

Hi Rob, is it the electric is on a low rate at 2 in the morning? or is it you just cannot sleep?

I NEVER SAID I WAS NORMAL NOTHING A WEIRD AS FOLK I DID SAY LET US OPEN AND TELL STORIES -WHO CAN BE NORMAL COLLECTING PIECES OF METAL

BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER

We all collect within a budget(or one assumes no one here goes into debt in doing it). I'm sure we all have coins which we believe are quality...and within individual parameters are. An exclusive coin is great...but imagine if its only 2nd best. Everyone needs a kick up the backside...BUT if we all sought the Holy Grail of coins there would be a lot of disappointed collectors. I look at what I believe other collectors have...and yes I am jealous only to the extent that I will get there at my own speed. History and coins goes without saying...imagination. You wrote “We all collect within a budget (or one assumes no one here goes into debt in doing it)” WRONG I was totally crazy Many coins I acquired have stories, I do not go to the bookies or gamble, drink heavily, smoke but one day I heard about a coin being sold in Sotheby’s. It was a Roman imperial Brass Sestertius. I saw a picture and fell in love with the coin. I did what can only be called a reclus action. The coin was going to fetch +/- £X. I went to the Bank, and tried to borrow the money. The story ended that I took the house we lived in and put this as security. Agrippina the Elder (ca 14 B.C. - 33 A.D.) the mother of emporer Caligula I purchased the coin; the portrait could have been created in the beginning of the 20th Century not the 1st Century. I have loved the coin ever since. The coin in my eyes was beautiful; it was the cover coin ‘WOMEN OF THE CAESARS’ IF A COLLECTION COULD BE ONE COIN, THIS IS ONE

Your Vespasian still shows the powerfull portrait of an Imperial Brass Sestercius - you aquired the coin very well

Great piece of creative Numsmatic history - A late 19th Cent VESTA special created for a mumismitist. Value what any crazy collector will pay. Maybe there is a silver watch fob to go with it?

I agree it looks ODD, has the weight been checked?, always difficult to come to a conclusion from a digital photo.

Elizabeth I, Pattern Penny, 1601,1.96g.,in copper, crowned bust three-quarters left, wearing elaborate dress and ruff, the pledge of, rev. crowned monogram of Elizabeth dividing date, a penny (Brown and Comber P8; BMC 4; N.2051), a gemlike coin, the portrait expressive and delicately engraved, in mint state with a deep chocolate tone, excessively rare in copper provenance: W Brice, collection purchased en bloc by H Montagu, 1887 H Montagu, Sotheby, 7 May 1888, lot 256 J G Murdoch, Sotheby, 31 March 1903, lot 675 J O Manton, Sotheby, 10 February 1947, lot 69 R C Lockett, Glendining, 11 October 1956, lot 2059 Peck recorded six known specimens in copper, including those in the British Museum, the Fitzwilliam Museum, and the Hunterian Museum, Glasgow

Is that yours, and if so is it the one that Roddy had? my pin brain thought it was ExBarr, did not see your prior reply

WoW can we see larger photo? did it come in the last few years from a UK dealer?

Hi all The creation of a collection of copper, bronze or brass coins in high grade is extremely difficult. Coins from the ancient Greek, Roman to our everyday bonze coins with a natural patina without being tampered with is rare. 1694 Half-Penny Proof COINS ARE HISTORY - Technology today allows us to communicate our research, interesting detail, thoughts, ideas, and digital pictures. is it possible to grade ?

I would like to make clear my statement in the article :- The middle quality [bRITISH COINAGE] VF+ is advancing at a slightly slower pace as there is a lack of higher quality material to meet present demand. THE IMPORTANCE OF THE VF+ COLLECTOR IS PARAMOUNT TO OUR HOBBY, AS IS THE ACADEMIC COLLECTOR WHO BRINGS NEW VARIETIES FORWARD IRESESPECTIVE OF GRADE.[/b] I DID WRITE JUST ‘SLIGHTLY SLOWER RATE’ ONLY Geoffrey Cope www.petitioncrown.com

Thanks very important contribution, I have very little knowledge on this area. Regards Jeff

In the last days after Oct 6th I have heard and listened that I am an idiot, you paid crazy prices, silly money, burning money, +++++. Prices are fuelled at auction with under-bidders. A true price of a coin is quite simple the price that one is pre-pared to pay at a specific time. What creates demand? how many under-bidders are their? There is nothing as strong as passion I have for our hobby and I make NO apologies. Please consider a few facts about Brady a dedicated person who created a collection over 30 years, he brought to the hobby a new reference work on Groats. An amazing focussed collection a catalogue which will be sought as a reference work. I propose another way of looking at the prices, how about saying thank you Mr. Brady for bringing together in one sale such a remarkable collection. We are delighted and hope the prices achieved at auction were some small way an appreciation for your dedication to the hobby. There is no value that can be placed on the time and effort for your soul you devoted to amass such a collection. We wish you every success and hope you find the opportunity to create another collection. j www.petitioncrown.com

good humour

SOLD AT BRADY AUCTION SPINKS 6 OCT 2011 posted on www.petitioncrown.com The earliest dated British coin, Henry VIII, Tournai 1513 in the obverse legend Henry VIII, Tournai Groat 1513 (under English rule, 1513-18), a coin described by H.Montagu at Sotheby, 1895, lot 749, 3.38g. Obv. HENRIC. 8. DI. GRA. FRANCIE. ET. ANGLIE. REX.., Shield crowned between lis and lion passant ; Rev. CIVITAS TORNACENSIS .1.5.1.3 , Cross voided, fourchee, with three bars across each limb, in centre h within quatrefoil ; lis and lion alternately in angles (Rud. Suppl. 2, pl XII), of extreme rarity and the finest of only three specimen known. From the Shepherd collection (lot 219) (Hoc, Histoire Monétaire de Tournai, 204-6; Vanhoudt Atlas der Munten van België, G.418; de Mey Les Monnaies du Tournaisis, 167) Edward John Shepherd, M.A.Sotheby 23 July 1885 lot 219 sold to Rollin (a dealer) for £20-1-0 'of extreme rarity, and the finest of three specimens known' no pedigree. the text just describes the coin.Rev. PROVENANCE Frank Brady 2011 lot 290 SNC May 1990, item 2521 Philippi, Glendining, 8 July 1970, lot 59 H.W. Morrieson, Sotheby, 20 November 1933, lot 225 H.Montagu, Sotheby, 18-22 November 1895, lot 749 £25.00 Shepherd lot 1885, lot 219 www.petitioncrown.com

Hi Members I am interested to understand your opinions on a number if topics concerning the future of our hobby What effect the internet is having on our coin collecting habits? Are prices moving due to supply and demand or dealers understand that the market has a number of new collectors that do not understand our grading which opens a new window of opportunity? What is really driving prices the lack of material or dealers? Regards www.petitioncrown.com

I enjoy the three dinension coin- which program r u using petitioncrown Having just recently read a very good book about the Brinks Mat gold bullion robbery. It got me thinking as to were the Royal Mint, gets their gold from, and is it possbile that some of this gold, might well have made its way into the Royal Mint? Has anyone got any thoughts or opinions? Look forward to hearing them.....