Gothic crown real or fake?

[Tommy Yang 1]

Hello guys. I have just joined the forum and would like to ask a question about my recently bought Gothic crown. I am a coin collector from China studying in the UK. So I would like to apologise for people from my countries making so many fakes. I bought this Gothic crown off a very reliable trader but people from Chinese coin forums are calling it a fake, so I am very confused now and would like to seek help from you experts. Did I manage to buy something made in China or was it made in UK? Thank you very much if you can help me!

[SWANNY 25]

I have never seen one is such poor condition , even the copies are close to EF

 

[jacinbox 36]

So fakes are bothering even the Chinese now. Can you weigh the coin?

First guess, I'd say it looks clean.

Edited April 25, 2016 by jacinbox

[Tommy Yang 1]

3 minutes ago, jacinbox said:

So fakes are bothering even the Chinese now. Can you weigh the coin?

First guess, I'd say it looks clean.

It weighs 28 grams exact. Most of the fake coins from China are actually Chinese. In China, we call it getting 'drugged'. There are so many fake Chinese coins around that I even have a tin box for all the fake coins that i got 'drugged'. Well, to be honest, this is the first time that I have bought a British coin and suspecting whether it is a fake. Personally, with all the experiences of dealing with Chinese 'drug dealers', I don't think it is fake, but you guys are the experts. So I thought it might be a good idea seeking help here.

[Tommy Yang 1]

21 minutes ago, SWANNY said:

I have never seen one is such poor condition , even the copies are close to EF

 

Thank you very much haha. I am only a student so I really cannot afford the ones with top condition.

[SWANNY 25]

Can you email higher resolution pictures ?

[mrbadexample 1,006]

2 hours ago, Tommy Yang said:

I would like to apologise for people from my countries making so many fakes.

Apology accepted.  

Seriously though, if it wasn't China it would be somewhere else, and I don't think we can hold you responsible.

I think your crown looks genuine, although I'm no expert at all. I hope so anyway, it's a lovely coin. 

[Tommy Yang 1]

54 minutes ago, SWANNY said:

Can you email higher resolution pictures ?

Definitely! Would you please leave me your email address. (or if there is another way of finding it on the forum)

[Tommy Yang 1]

30 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Apology accepted.  

Seriously though, if it wasn't China it would be somewhere else, and I don't think we can hold you responsible.

I think your crown looks genuine, although I'm no expert at all. I hope so anyway, it's a lovely coin. 

Haha, thank you Sir. We Chinese collectors are in fact the biggest victim. The Chinese coin market has been booming for the past 10, 20 years and the high profit has driven many people to start making fake coins (mostly Chinese coins). Some of the very high end silver coins are actually made by the Taiwanese and Japanese now. The quality of those fakes are absolutely crazy, very very hard to tell.

[SWANNY 25]

Here are some pics of a known real Gothic Crown

[SWANNY 25]

other side

[Garrett 76]

Looks a bit suspicious to me.

Welcome to the forum.

[mrbadexample 1,006]

7 minutes ago, Garrett said:

Looks a bit suspicious to me.

C'mon Garrett, help us rookies out a bit?  What makes it suspicious? I can't see anything about it I'm not happy with, although to be fair I've never had one of these in hand. I should be so lucky. 

[seuk 85]

Here's the old thread abouth Gothic Crown forgeries. The coin in question doesn't have the same marks as those forgeries - so if counterfeit it's from a different source.

 

[Garrett 76]

3 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

C'mon Garrett, help us rookies out a bit?  What makes it suspicious? I can't see anything about it I'm not happy with, although to be fair I've never had one of these in hand. I should be so lucky. 

No worries I am a rookie too.  I just zoomed in for a close look, then did a side-by-side between the coin and the genuine one.

If the thread starter has any serious concerns perhaps he could get CGS to have a look.

cheers Garrett.

 

[Tommy Yang 1]

3 hours ago, Garrett said:

Looks a bit suspicious to me.

Welcome to the forum.

Thank you very much! Just saw your reply....

Edited April 25, 2016 by Tommy Yang

[Garrett 76]

1 minute ago, Tommy Yang said:

Thank you very much! Just saw your reply....

No worries perhaps I zoomed in too far, the lions legs look funny as do a couple of other areas.

Don't mean to offend, I maybe should have made a better post in the first place before I rushed out the door.

Good luck with your studies !

[IanB 175]

4 hours ago, SWANNY said:

Here are some pics of a known real Gothic Crown

That is a beautiful looking coin

[Tommy Yang 1]

2 minutes ago, Garrett said:

No worries I am a rookie too.  I just zoomed in for a close look, then did a side-by-side between the coin and the genuine one.

If the thread starter has any serious concerns perhaps he could get CGS to have a look.

cheers Garrett.

 

Sorry for bothering you Garrett, but would you please tell me which bit of the coin is different with the genuine one? Is the edge?

[SWANNY 25]

I purchased an advertised fake on Ebay to sit next to my real coin.

The pictures on here look just like the fake I have , just a lot more ware on this one. When we get high resolution pictures we will be able to tell

 

[Tommy Yang 1]

14 minutes ago, Garrett said:

No worries perhaps I zoomed in too far, the lions legs look funny as do a couple of other areas.

Don't mean to offend, I maybe should have made a better post in the first place before I rushed out the door.

Good luck with your studies !

Thank you very much, ignore the previous reply please...I just saw this reply...

[Tommy Yang 1]

12 minutes ago, SWANNY said:

I purchased an advertised fake on Ebay to sit next to my real coin.

The pictures on here look just like the fake I have , just a lot more ware on this one. When we get high resolution pictures we will be able to tell

 

That sounds very worrying...give me 30 minutes...I will try my best to get you the high resolution pictures....

[mrbadexample 1,006]

50 minutes ago, Garrett said:

No worries I am a rookie too.  I just zoomed in for a close look, then did a side-by-side between the coin and the genuine one.

How do you zoom in?

 

[Peter 615]

Welcome Tommy,The gothic crown is notorious in being faked.There are many experienced collectors who have been duped and probably many crowns sit in collections with the collector unaware.The problem with yours is that it seems to have been quite heavily circulated and this would be extremely rare(unheard of for a proof)If you submitted this to CGS they would authenticate(or not)the coin.The source of your purchase would be a good starting point.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=146846

This is another forum I am a member of and these gothics have been discussed at length.Hope this helps

 

 

[coinkat 21]

Welcome and thanks for posting the image- It certainly gives us something to examine and think about. From the image, I simply am unable to say with absolute certainty. The coin is obviously worn-likely a high end VG10 by US Standards. If it is a counterfeit, I think the likelihood is that it is a contemporary counterfeit from back in the day- It just does not have the look of a modern fake. 

Some counterfeit coins can be deceptive in terms of the quality.  

Edited April 26, 2016 by coinkat
added counterfeit in last sentence