Half crown 1905

[interNumi 3]

Hello!

I have just bought the following coin.

Weight is 13,82.

What do you think? Normal, recut, forgery?

 

 

[Stuntman 264]

Looks pretty good, nothing obviously amiss to me.

[VickySilver 845]

The problem is that with so much wear, a lot could be done to wear down a counterfeit to even out the rough bits. This coin reminds me of those 1860's era half crowns that have now been generally debunked but that were so worn as to make ID possible. I remain suspicious.The milling does not look all that great even given the condition, and the lettering, esp. "EDWARDUS" just looks off and a bit wonky IMO. 

[jacinbox 36]

The harp in a Edwardian hc along with the I of HONI and P of PENSE are the first places to suffer from circulation. With this specimen the harp strings are intact even when other features of the coin reveal a great degree of wear. SPOOKY

Edited July 12, 2016 by jacinbox

[copper123 1,513]

I would go 70/30 on it being genuine - there again I am no expert

[VickySilver 845]

InterNumi - please find a better example when you can.

[copper123 1,513]

9 minutes ago, VickySilver said:

InterNumi - please find a better example when you can.

easy to say but these coins are not cheap or common you know

[VickySilver 845]

VFs not all that bad?

[interNumi 3]

Sure, XF or UNC even better, however I am not ready to spend £3000+. 

It is much more interesting things to spend on.

Thank you everyone for your opinions.

[interNumi 3]

17 hours ago, VickySilver said:

The problem is that with so much wear, a lot could be done to wear down a counterfeit to even out the rough bits. This coin reminds me of those 1860's era half crowns that have now been generally debunked but that were so worn as to make ID possible. I remain suspicious.The milling does not look all that great even given the condition, and the lettering, esp. "EDWARDUS" just looks off and a bit wonky IMO. 

 

Mine is the last one. Can you describe me what is wrong according to you in it?

[interNumi 3]

5 hours ago, jacinbox said:

The harp in a Edwardian hc along with the I of HONI and P of PENSE are the first places to suffer from circulation. With this specimen the harp strings are intact even when other features of the coin reveal a great degree of wear. SPOOKY

 

The same question here - what is wrong with mine compare to others 1905 halfcrowns in about the same conditions?

 

 

[Rob 3,152]

Your legend looks marginally thicker all round compared to the other three. That would be as expected of a copy made from a mould which was in turn taken from the genuine article

[interNumi 3]

4 minutes ago, Rob said:

Your legend looks marginally thicker all round compared to the other three. That would be as expected of a copy made from a mould which was in turn taken from the genuine article

Kill me, but I can not see any thicker letters.

[Stuntman 264]

I have to say that I think Rob has a point.  Once it's pointed out that the legend letters (and also the HONI SOIT  /  Y PENSE legends) look marginally thicker, I would be inclined to agree.  

Is that sufficiently decisive for the coin definitely to be a copy?  I have no idea.

[VickySilver 845]

The lettering is to my view clearly less distinct - follow the shape of the "legs" of the "W" in EDWARDUS as one example.

Also, the shape of the top of the "I" and its top to bottom taper in "SOIT" is different.

Also the top of the "H" in "HONI" left upright/leg terminus is different.

 

I could point out more....

[interNumi 3]

2 minutes ago, VickySilver said:

The lettering is to my view clearly less distinct - follow the shape of the "legs" of the "W" in EDWARDUS as one example.

Also, the shape of the top of the "I" and its top to bottom taper in "SOIT" is different.

Also the top of the "H" in "HONI" left upright/leg terminus is different.

 

I could point out more....

True, but to be honest you could say the same about each of that four coins. They are all different.

[Peter 615]

I find it difficult to question its authenticity.

[azda 979]

t may or may not helpi

[Colin88 54]

Personally , imo , I would say it looks ok and I've seen quite a few !.....the good news is that most of the fakes that were produced in the 80's by XX are normally high grade and you can spot the broken I in 'qui'  which is the easiest way of telling the fake 05 without a magnifying glass.