1860 Penny

[Tigon 1]

 

Hi all. Could someone tell which Spink obverse/reverse this penny is please? The rim borders are noticeably different each side.

[1949threepence 3,367]

Don't know about a Spink classification, but I'm pretty sure it's a Freeman 10, obverse 2, reverse D.

The most notable giveaways on the reverse are that the exergual line curves upwards slightly on the left hand side. On the obverse the I, and the T's of "BRITT" are slightly out of alignment with the BR, curving away clockwise. Also the "L.C.WYON" signature stands well clear of the toothed border, but not almost on the bust as with obverse 3, for example.  

  

[jacinbox 36]

Looks like an Obv 4 Rev D with a double barred A in Victoria.

The coin looks interesting on account of the double barred A and close trailing colons. Would you mind posting better pictures of the Obverse? 

Edited September 8, 2016 by jacinbox

[1949threepence 3,367]

31 minutes ago, jacinbox said:

Looks like an Obv 4 Rev D with a double barred A in Victoria.

The coin looks interesting on account of the double barred A and close trailing colons. Would you mind posting better pictures of the Obverse? 

Yes, I agree. On closer inspection it is obverse 4. The hair at the nape of the neck sweeps towards the ear, which it doesn't on obverse 3. We could do with a clearer picture, as you say. On all obverse 4's, the "L" of L.C.WYON is flawed and appears as an I.   

[jelida 1,314]

Certainly Freeman obverse 4, possibly also Gouby 'G', even fishtail ribbon end, variety with the missing tuft of hair at the nape of the neck below the bow. Also slightly smaller/narrower colon after F:D. Look forward to higher res photo as requested above.

Jerry

[secret santa 2,325]

Looks like a nice example of BP1860V, obverse G+reverse d with re-entered closer colon dots after F:D: as Jerry says. This variety has a very narrow border with the teeth virtually on the edge of the coin in places. See my varieties website below for more details on this variety.

[copper123 1,486]

Nice coin!

[Tigon 1]

10 hours ago, secret santa said:

Looks like a nice example of BP1860V, obverse G+reverse d with re-entered closer colon dots after F:D: as Jerry says. This variety has a very narrow border with the teeth virtually on the edge of the coin in places. See my varieties website below for more details on this variety.

Thank you all for the information. 

Secret Santa, that's a very useful list you have. I see, on a scale of 1 to 9, the penny is rated R7. Does this mean it is very rare?

 

 

[azda 979]

6 minutes ago, Tigon said:

Thank you all for the information. 

Secret Santa, that's a very useful list you have. I see, on a scale of 1 to 9, the penny is rated R7. Does this mean it is very rare?

 

 

The rarity scale goes to R20

[Nordle11 564]

and down to C20;

 

R20 = Believed unique
R19 = 2 to 5
R18 = 6 to 15
R17 = 16 to 50
R16 = 51 to 100
R15 = 101 to 250
R14 = 251 to 500
R13 = 501 to 1,000
R12 = 1,001 to 2,000
R11 = 2,001 to 3,500
R10 = 3,501 to 7,000
R9 = 7,001 to 12,000
R8 = 12,001 to 20,000
R7 = 20,001 to 30,000
R6 = 30,001 to 50,000
R5 = 50,001 to 100,000
R4 = 100,001 to 200,000
R3 = 200,001 to 350,000
R2 = 350,001 to 650,000
R = 650,000 to 1 million
N = 1 to 2 million
C = 2 to 3 million
C2 = 3 to 5 million
C3 = 5 to 6 million
C4 = 6 to 7.5 million
C5 = 7.5 to 10 million
C6 = 10 to 12.5 million
C7 = 12.5 to 15 million
C8 = 15 to 17.5 million
C9 = 17.5 to 20 million
C10 = 20 to 25 million
C11 = 25 to 30 million
C12 = 30 to 35 million
C13 = 35 to 40 million
C14 = 40 to 45 million
C15 = 45 to 50 million
C16 = 50 to 60 million
C17 = 60 to 75 million
C18 = 75 to 100 million
C19 = 100 to 150 million
C20 = Over 150 million

[Tigon 1]

 

I think Secret Santa is using a Gouby scale for his pennies which goes from R1 to R9.

On that list R7 is 26-50 examples.

[Nordle11 564]

Good point, so he does. Then you've answered your own question  A nice find and in a really nice grade for the rarity too!

[scott 144]

I love the colour of that coin.

[Tigon 1]

5 minutes ago, scott said:

I love the colour of that coin.

Yes, it's an attractive colour, isn't it.

Here's another 1860 I've been given. The colour on the obverse is odd but what I'd like to know is: which obverse is it? I think it is different to my first coin (the ribbon doesn't look the same). Also: is the reverse the same as my first coin?

Thank you.

[terrysoldpennies 763]

1 hour ago, Tigon said:

Yes, it's an attractive colour, isn't it.

Here's another 1860 I've been given. The colour on the obverse is odd but what I'd like to know is: which obverse is it? I think it is different to my first coin (the ribbon doesn't look the same). Also: is the reverse the same as my first coin?

Thank you.

Freeman Obv 3  Gouby E      Rev D     Terry