1860 Bronzed Proof Penny - Photos

[1949threepence 3,367]

I've now received a further e mail from LCA, still in response to my first e mail, as follows:-

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Redford" <paul@londoncoins.co.uk>

To: <

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:48 AM

Subject: London Coins Auction A155 December 4/5 2016 Lot 1189 further information

 

> Hello Michael
>  Thank you for the e-mail.
>  The box supplied with the coin has a note enclosed, however we do not
> state it was actually written by Wyon, only what details are on the note.
> The coin is undoubtedly very rare and will create much interest in the
> auction. Very few are known, and it is known that many of these early
> bronze pieces have unusual presentation boxes.
>  However I have located a signed chalk drawing by Wyon on the web which
> is in the British Museum and the signatures are very similar.
> Many thanks
> Paul Redford
> (London Coins Ltd)

 

I believe the drawing Paul refers to, is the one shown below, which bears L.C.Wyon's signature. Compared to the one in Lot 1189, I'd say it is the same signature, so the document appears to be authentic.   

[IanB 175]

It looks similar but there are differences.

The inscription on the bottom of the box could be interpreted in two ways.

Firstly, it could just be a note that records what took place. The coin was given to someone by L. C..Wyon.

or 

It is as assumed, a note written in his hand. Personally I think the signature on the portrait doesn't match enough to prove conclusively 

[secret santa 2,325]

Don't get hung up on the note. It's interesting but the real value is in the rarity of the coin. Should fetch £2500 plus.

[Nordle11 564]

4 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Don't get hung up on the note. It's interesting but the real value is in the rarity of the coin. Should fetch £2500 plus.

And the rest!

A valid point though, the note is just a little something extra on what is a stunning and rare coin.

[secret santa 2,325]

53 minutes ago, Nordle11 said:

 

59 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Don't get hung up on the note. It's interesting but the real value is in the rarity of the coin. Should fetch £2500 plus.

And the rest!

 

Don't forget that 2 specimens sold this year for £2232 & £1860 inc commission so it may not fetch much more - we'll see.

[PWA 1967 2,135]

I dont think many people will be prepared to bid against each other way over and above what its worth just because of the ticket.

It only takes two though.

Interesting thread and glad i dont buy proofs 

 

[1949threepence 3,367]

2 hours ago, secret santa said:

Don't get hung up on the note. It's interesting but the real value is in the rarity of the coin. Should fetch £2500 plus.

 

1 hour ago, Nordle11 said:

And the rest!

A valid point though, the note is just a little something extra on what is a stunning and rare coin.

 

59 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Don't forget that 2 specimens sold this year for £2232 & £1860 inc commission so it may not fetch much more - we'll see.

 

35 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

I dont think many people will be prepared to bid against each other way over and above what its worth just because of the ticket.

It only takes two though.

Interesting thread and glad i dont buy proofs 

 

It'll be very, very interesting to see what it does ultimately fetch, gents. Especially for dispassionate, uninvolved observers  

[1949threepence 3,367]

At the risk of becoming a bore on the topic, Paul Redford sent me another e mail, with a link to the drawing he had found, which actually isn't the same one I looked up. The one he found is the same style of drawing, but of a different subject, and his signature is initials and surname, same as on the note.

Anyway, I'll shut up and clear off for a bit. Sorry to babble on.

 

     

[1949threepence 3,367]

On 11/23/2016 at 6:25 PM, 1949threepence said:

 

 

 

It'll be very, very interesting to see what it does ultimately fetch, gents. Especially for dispassionate, uninvolved observers  

£3,200 in the end. Not quite as much as I thought it might. Wonder who go it.......

[Rob 3,152]

It was a bit spotty, otherwise I might have had a go. Don't have a beaded border penny.

[secret santa 2,325]

Just got the latest Coin News and see that this coin sold for £1350 in November - someone made a quick profit !

[PWA 1967 2,135]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

Just got the latest Coin News and see that this coin sold for £1350 in November - someone made a quick profit !

Yes i read that Richard sold at a small auction house ,think a copper 1860/59 was sold in the same one with some lustre.

I wondered if it was the same one as the LCA one .

Looking again it must be the same one and whoever bought the medals aswell seems to have got them for a really good price 

Edited December 23, 2016 by PWA 1967

[1949threepence 3,367]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

Just got the latest Coin News and see that this coin sold for £1350 in November - someone made a quick profit !

Crikey, I'd have bought it myself for £1350, and kept it together with the (apparent) provenance. 

[secret santa 2,325]

So would I.

http://halls.bidmaster.co.uk/bidcat/detail.asp?SaleRef=5054&LotRef=476

[PWA 1967 2,135]

Its like any auction you dont know how high someone else was prepared to go.

But was definately a good buy