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[mrbadexample]

40 minutes ago, Rob said:

That isn't a Parsons ticket, rather the end buyer of lot 879 (don't have the buyer's name). 1528 will be a stock number looking at the colour of the ink and that on the other side of the ticket.

Sorry, thought it was due to the HAP initials. Thought it looked a bit different but these tickets are a bit of a mystery to me. 

[Diaconis]

Henry Christensen Inc. New Jersey, USA.

 

 

 

[Diaconis]

Though not a ticket per se, I thought that it may be of interest to some, to see one of J.MINSHULL's Certificates of Authenticity. Rob posted an envelope earlier in this thread.

 

Edited June 27, 2018 by Diaconis

[Diaconis]

Always on the look out for interesting information I can add to a ticket. I was just browsing through the Pembroke Collection catalogue and I happened upon the Scale of Mionnet. How have I done without it? . Very similar to the scale of Dubonnet if you ask me.

T.E. Mionnet
Description de Medailles Antiques.
Paris, 1805.

[Rob]

43 minutes ago, Diaconis said:

Always on the look out for interesting information I can add to a ticket. I was just browsing through the Pembroke Collection catalogue and I happened upon the Scale of Mionnet. How have I done without it? . Very similar to the scale of Dubonnet if you ask me.

T.E. Mionnet
Description de Medailles Antiques.
Paris, 1805.

The Pembroke sale may well be the first instance when this was included in a catalogue, as it wasn't printed in say Thomas Thomas, Durrant or the Devonshire collection which were all important sales of that decade, nor any other earlier catalogues I possess. The scale was subsequently included more often than not in Sotheby's catalogues up to the mid 1920s. The Bruun sale in 1925 and Middleton (1926) both had the scale, but Huth in 1927 had a scale in inches as did all the catalogues here subsequent to that. I don't know why they dropped it. 

[Diaconis]

10 hours ago, Rob said:

The Pembroke sale may well be the first instance when this was included in a catalogue, as it wasn't printed in say Thomas Thomas, Durrant or the Devonshire collection which were all important sales of that decade, nor any other earlier catalogues I possess. The scale was subsequently included more often than not in Sotheby's catalogues up to the mid 1920s. The Bruun sale in 1925 and Middleton (1926) both had the scale, but Huth in 1927 had a scale in inches as did all the catalogues here subsequent to that. I don't know why they dropped it. 

Thanks Rob, most interesting.

I later found the following table which Earle Caley drew up to compare various contemporary scales;

Mionnet / Leake / Dickeson / Prime and Head scales.

Can’t recall seeing the other scales mentioned in old catalogues though. They didn’t seem to enjoy quite the same popularity as Mionnet😉

 

Scale Number	Mionnet, 1805	Leake, 1854		Dickeson, 1859	Prime, 1861	Head, 1887
1	8.9	I	9.3	9.5	7.5	9.3
2	12.1	II	12.1	12.5	14.0	12.3
3	15.4	III	15.3	15.3	20.1	15.3
4	18.1	IV	18.1	18.3	24.2	17.8
5	21.2	V	21.2	21.3	28.2	21.0
6	23.7	VI	23.8	24.2	32.1	23.9
7	26.6	VII	26.6	26.6	40.4	26.1
8	28.9	VIII	28.8	28.9	43.0	28.4
9	31.8	IX	31.4	31.3	45.7	31.2
10	35.2	X	34.9	33.9	48.3	34.7
11	37.7	XI	37.5	36.5	52.3	37.5
12	40.5	XII	39.7	39.0	55.1	39.7
13	43.4			42.1	57.8	43.2
14	51.8			50.4	60.3	51.0
15	56.7			54.9	62.9	55.9
16	60.6			58.7	65.8	60.1
17	64.5			62.8	68.6	63.2
18	70.9			68.8	71.6	69.8
19	78.3			75.9	74.6	77.0
20				83.1	82.1

[Rob]

On 9/16/2017 at 4:39 PM, TomGoodheart said:

HULETT Dr J

Collector.  Collection sold posthumously through DNW Sept 2017 and subsequently.

Roughly octagonal cut paper.  Neat hand.  Ticket to the right is a Baldwin's ticket in the hand of Michael Sharp.

Computers and computing never made it to John Hulett's house. His collection was stored on a card index, with each coin having its own 5x3 inch card in addition to any ticket(s).

Edited August 15, 2018 by Rob

[Paddy]

As requested by Rob, this ticket from my new Henry II Penny. Apparently this is a "Ray Inder" ticket.

[Diaconis]

Can anyone help with identifying ticket writer and provenance? Neales 91? TCX? Tanenbaum?

thank you

[Rob]

On 9/21/2018 at 2:28 PM, Paddy said:

As requested by Rob, this ticket from my new Henry II Penny. Apparently this is a "Ray Inder" ticket.

The small one is from when the collection was catalogued and of no consequence.

[Rob]

27 minutes ago, Diaconis said:

Can anyone help with identifying ticket writer and provenance? Neales 91? TCX? Tanenbaum?

thank you

Tanenbaum was a good sale with a lot of quality material and one of those provincial auctions that tend to slip under the radar. The auction was held in Nottingham. I can't lay my hands on the catalogue at the moment, but will look later on tonight.

[Diaconis]

On 4/5/2019 at 9:11 AM, Rob said:

Tanenbaum was a good sale with a lot of quality material and one of those provincial auctions that tend to slip under the radar. The auction was held in Nottingham. I can't lay my hands on the catalogue at the moment, but will look later on tonight.

Thank you Rob, very helpful as usual. 

[Rob]

5 hours ago, Diaconis said:

Thank you Rob, very helpful as usual. 

You might have to go easy on the thanks - I haven't found it yet. It's the only Neales catalogue I have, so tends to get moved around a bit rather than being organised in a pile from a certain saleroom. It will be somewhere safe.

[Rob]

Said it was somewhere safe - hidden along with Ricardo Paolucci, Italo Vecchio  and Sworders.

Lot 2266 sold for 660 hammer (10% prem), but I don't have the buyer's name. It was graded EF in the catalogue. The coin is probably the one listed in the December 1958 Circular as 8572, FDC £10/10/- if 210/- refers to the price which would be 10 guineas.

TCX price code? T=7, C is 100, X=4? The all in price at Neales was £735.90, plus postage if not collected.

Edited April 7, 2019 by Rob

[Diaconis]

3 hours ago, Rob said:

Said it was somewhere safe - hidden along with Ricardo Paolucci, Italo Vecchio  and Sworders.

Lot 2266 sold for 660 hammer (10% prem), but I don't have the buyer's name. It was graded EF in the catalogue. The coin is probably the one listed in the December 1958 Circular as 8572, FDC £10/10/- if 210/- refers to the price which would be 10 guineas.

TCX price code? T=7, C is 100, X=4? The all in price at Neales was £735.90, plus postage if not collected.

Rob,

Excellent ! Thanks so much for taking the time to find the catalogue and provide the information, i’m very grateful and happy to know more about the coin’s provenance. It’s been lying in my cabinet since 2003. I bought it on ebay of all places, from a seller in Chester-le-Street, Co Durham. He had some quality coins for sale at he time.

When i bought it there were no references to the Neales sale to be found on the web and for several years after. Having checked again this week I did find a couple of coins recently sold by DNW mentioning the Neales sale.

I’m sure i’d have had a struggle to locate the catalogue since, as you mentioned earlier, it was a provincial auction and long before internet auctions so am very glad you had a copy buried away. 

 

[Rob]

On 6/27/2018 at 4:00 PM, mrbadexample said:

Another:

 

  On 6/27/2018 at 6:24 PM, Rob said:

That isn't a Parsons ticket, rather the end buyer of lot 879 (don't have the buyer's name). 1528 will be a stock number looking at the colour of the ink and that on the other side of the ticket.

Sorry, thought it was due to the HAP initials. Thought it looked a bit different but these tickets are a bit of a mystery to me. 

 

Sorry, just realised I hadn't finished replying to this - only 9 months too late!

The ticket above looks like a Seaby  ticket as the HAP /54 refers to the Parsons sale in 1954 from which the coin will have come and the style is correct. It was part of a lot of 13, see below where it is the coin at the end of the second row. Unfortunately my Parsons catalogue doesn't have buyers listed, so would have to ask someone, assuming I remember.

I couldn't find a 1528 stock number to match the description in the Bulletin from June-Dec 1954, nor in the Circular for 1960.

[Diaconis]

R.C.Carlyon-Britton

[Diaconis]

LINGFORD, H M

[Rob]

4 hours ago, Diaconis said:

R.C.Carlyon-Britton

The stamped numbers were Seaby stock numbers - so in csae of finding one of these you need to start looking in the Bulletin from 1959 onwards.

[Diaconis]

5 hours ago, Rob said:

The stamped numbers were Seaby stock numbers - so in csae of finding one of these you need to start looking in the Bulletin from 1959 onwards.

Thanks Rob

[Diaconis]

15 hours ago, Diaconis said:

Thanks Rob

Rob, 

I read through Seaby bulletins 59-62, (62 is written on the ticket). Seaby  Stock numbers are different from the 5 digit stamp and generally start with a letter followed by 4 numbers. Any suggestions?

thanks

[Rob]

4 minutes ago, Diaconis said:

Rob, 

I read through Seaby bulletins 59-62, (62 is written on the ticket). Seaby  Stock numbers are different from the 5 digit stamp and generally start with a letter followed by 4 numbers. Any suggestions?

thanks

Patience. You need to find something matching the ticket info and the Bulletin listing. There is always a chance that the coin in question never made the Bulletin, especially if it was a good example with a ready buyer. The ticket in question has 45/- on it, but that would mean looking for other examples in the market between 1949 and 1959.

Edited April 9, 2019 by Rob

[Paddy]

I picked up two lots from the DNW sale on Wednesday - they arrived today. Here are the tickets that came with them - hopefully someone can tell me what these signify?

 

[Peckris 2]

On 27 April 2019 at 10:40 AM, Paddy said:

I picked up two lots from the DNW sale on Wednesday - they arrived today. Here are the tickets that came with them - hopefully someone can tell me what these signify?

 

This is pure Holmesian deduction...

The two tickets appear to come from the same source, as the writing and style of the first side of both - though written at different times with different pens - is the same. 

The writing on the second side is a different hand, but appears to be the same as the prices written on the first side, which use different pens from the other details.

Conclusion (possible): the coins were at the same sale and the prices realised were written in then; the B numbers could be sale lots, while the initials could be the buyer or a code for the buyer.

[Rob]

I would go for the two tickets are from the same dealer with the letters and B numbers added as a reference. Maybe cabinet B with a position reference? The letters TTR and MN could be cost codes, because if the 300 and 95 were ticket prices, there is no guarantee that was the price paid. That might fall down given the T would therefore be a 2 if it represents the cost. 225 might be too big a discount, but R could be 5. N could then be 0 and M either 8 or 9. If it helps, I also bought a lot with RB on the reverse of the ticket and a price of £60 on the other side. That would tie in with R=5 if the price paid was 50 something. This ticket was a completely different style, so presumably from different dealer. .