RMS Douro

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Hi,

Can anyone tell me the going rate for a full sovereign, from the DMS Douro. With authenticy certifiate?

Gordon.

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1872 in E/F-to UNC condition?

Theres two currently being sold on ebay.

[Emperor Oli 0]

I can't really see it making much more than book value, there's lots of them about and for me they don't hold any further numismatic value.

[Chris Perkins 228]

Exactly right Oli. Nevermind how they are 'Novelty packed' (and i've told you about that before BJofW) at the end of the day they're really only worth 'coin' value in my eyes.... And probably most other people that are slightly in the know.

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Fair one, thanks for all your advice.

Ok tacky boxes and paperwork aside. For a 1872 EF-UNC coin...how much?

I`m told Spink know them out for £225, and yet I`ve picked one up for £160, have I been had? It seems to go to be true.

Have I been another Ebay victim?

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One other thing, which might be the nail in my coffin,

the vender states that he`ll be sending me a copy of the original certifate, it doesn`t look like it comes in any box, and he`s also asked me if I`d like any more?

I`ve asked him how he`s come by them, but I`m waiting for a reply.

[Master Jmd 89]

Fair one, thanks for all your advice.

Ok tacky boxes and paperwork aside. For a 1872 EF-UNC coin...how much?

I`m told Spink know them out for £225, and yet I`ve picked one up for £160, have I been had? It seems to go to be true.

Have I been another Ebay victim?

Not nessessarily, Oli bought his 1826 Sixpence(?) for a lot less than spink valued it as.

[Levi_NI 0]

One other thing, which might be the nail in my coffin,

the vender states that he`ll be sending me a copy of the original certifate, it doesn`t look like it comes in any box, and he`s also asked me if I`d like any more?

I`ve asked him how he`s come by them, but I`m waiting for a reply.

That sounds a bit dodgy.. surely you bought the original cert when you got the coin?

[Chris Perkins 228]

Spink prices are often high, especially compared to ebay, and unless the coin was £160 from a reputable dealer, who knows exactly what grade it is. £160 seems fair enough for UNC, perhaps high for EF. So if it's in the middle you're probably ok.

So that's quite dodgy then, a copy of a certificate and he has lots of them! Don't pay more than the coins value which is £85 in EF. Vicky Sovereigns are funny things, they start at £50ish, sometimes about £70 for VF, £90 for EF, and then they shoot up to £300+ for UNC! But if it's less than a perfect UNC it's not worth anywhere near the top price.

I wouldn't pay more than £60 for it personally, frankly I wouldn't buy anything sold as a novelty item.

But my 1871 Sov, which really is UNC, really is very beautiful, has the shield rev and is available to you for the forum member price of £230 (£30 off):

http://www.predecimal.com/forsale/gold.htm

No novelties, no rubbish, and I'll take it back gladly if you don't like it!

[Emperor Oli 0]

Not nessessarily, Oli bought his 1826 Sixpence(?) for a lot less than spink valued it as.

It was a shilling I bought for about £70 and Spink "values" it at around £200.

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That horrible sinking feeling!!!!!!!!

Oh well you live and learn.

The seller, has assured me that is genuine. But having said that can you ever really be sure unless, you dived down and got it yourself.

I`ll steer well clear of this sort of thing in the future, you live and learn.

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Sovereign arrived, a lovely piece, very pleased.

[Master Jmd 89]

A happy ending

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So it would seem, however, I won`t be paying that much again for a Sovereign, well not until, I`ve learnt a bit more about them anyway. I did see a 1822 one that had been found in someone`s garden by one of his chicken!!!! But it got way to rich for my blood, I think it went for about £320!!!

Anyway back the the RMS Douro, does anyone know of any books that cover its sinking and the salvaging of the sovereigns?

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Hi,

Does anyone know whether the Douro cargo was all Full Sovereigns, or were there any half Sovereigns on it to?

Gordon.

[Emperor Oli 0]

Looks like it's just sovereigns. But look, some fools are still mounting them.

[Peter 615]

Chavtastic..and a disgrace

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Just picked up another 1853, for £95.52.

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[TomGoodheart 403]

They're really rare then.....?

(My personal view is that as long as you're happy with it, price isn't too important. Of course, we all learn lessons along the way and get better ideas about pricing, but temptation is a terrible thing!!!)

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Yes I know what you mean!! Its so easy to get sucked in especailly on Ebay.

[TomGoodheart 403]

Yes. I found myself upping my bid on this little thing rather more than I should. Happily I got it for a lot less than my max (and rather less than Spink wanted for a similar one a month or two ago so I'm quite pleased!)