Is this a uniface counter or a smoothed of farthing?

[bagerap 706]

I've had this piece for years and every time it gets dragged out, my opinion changes. At present, I think that it's a counter. Other times I think that it's a sadly defaced farthing.

22 mm, 4.52 gr.

[Peckris 579]

My guess is that it's a counter that's been sawn in half. The obverse looks convincing, but not quite right? The rim is thick and the teeth are long. Mind you, there's nothing to say it isn't a uniface pattern, though why that date? Here's a Google image of the genuine article to compare side by side.

[bagerap 706]

TBH, I think it's the quality of the piece that I find odd. Better than any other counter of the period that I've handled, and most of the farthings too.

 

[Rob 3,152]

Do the legend punches match, or the datal figures? Can't tell from the images as they are too small, but Chris' image is good enough to compare. 

[VickySilver 830]

Does not IMO appear to be of Royal Mint manufacture...

[will1976 235]

 

23 hours ago, bagerap said:

I've had this piece for years and every time it gets dragged out, my opinion changes. At present, I think that it's a counter. Other times I think that it's a sadly defaced farthing.

I have some counters with a very similar portrait on will look them out and post pictures

[will1976 235]

Here's the first one

Edited March 26, 2018 by will1976
missed photos out!

[will1976 235]

[will1976 235]

This last one I've included as I believe it's by the same maker due to the reverse crown. It has 'TWI' on for Thomas Wells Ingram, the only one of the three to have any markings on. All three are 22mm gilt brass and weigh 4.0 to 4.1gm

 

[bagerap 706]

Without diving through lots of boxes at this time of night, I know that I have one or two of (probably) the first picture. Your third coin is quite exciting to me. Chances are that it's a mule. The reverse as shown comes from a character known as Paul Pry. "Just drop't in,  hope I don't intrude" features on a number of tokens and one or two medals, but yours is the first of its type that I've seen. 

Tomorrow, I'll try to find some of my examples.

[will1976 235]

I do have a fourth which has the 'just drop't in' on one side within a wreath border. The other side has the image of Paul Pry with the legend 'hope I don't intrude' above. I'm assuming this is the standard version as I've seen quite a few of these