Halfpenny ID check

[Bronze & Copper Collector 413]

1956 4 & c reverse

 

[Bronze & Copper Collector 413]

1956 4 & c obverse

 

[Zo Arms 294]

Nice one Gary. I knew you'd have one. 🙂Did it take long to find?

I've been searching 6 years plus.

475's   I've found 6.

473's.  I've found 3.

R3 and  R5.

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[DrLarry 443]

I thought I might start listing some of my half penny characters.  It would be mice to have them listed so others might look see if we have matches .  I am not going to argue that they are varieties they are anomalies and this would seem , to me at least, to be the best place to share them 1860 toothed  8 over 8  it is the rounded lighthouse type the A is over the older curly based A  in HALF  and there is a very clear error in the placement of the I in Victoria on the obverse 

I HOPE THIS INTERESTS SOME ...MANY THANKS 

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I also have a F over F in two specimens of Reverse C 1860 toothed both show the same position of the F over the F so I assume we can find others ...a nice error this  I hope you enjoy it too 

[DrLarry 443]

An interesting additional aspect to these toothed half pennies from 1860 is that the Stamp used to set the legend seem to have a number of difference.  The P of PENNY for example has two types used for different reverses 1. has an "OPEN" P the other a 2. "CLOSED " P .  I know that there have been comments about the letter stamps used in previous discussion but it is still of interest that when Wyon  prepared the first set of legend stamps for the bronze series he had to prepare a second set.  I know many will ask r say that it is in the hands of the preparer of these hardened steel stamps and why does it matter that there are minor variations.  Of course it might not matter but then what does any of this exploration into old bits of metal.   If it is there to be noticed then it is  , in my opinion, of interest .   I believe we have an OPEN P and a CLOSED P in the pennies so why not the half pennies.  Of  course this variation may be due to pressure used but to me the shape appears different one a restamp

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[DrLarry 443]

E over P in REG Beaded Obverse   1860 half penny .  Here is an interesting  half penny from 1860 BEADED  the example is not the best and the verifying second example lack credibility because it was buried and has therefore crystalised and I am always untrusting of what they show.  But the original one found a few years back I feel is better if somewhat low in grade.  Interestingly on both on the reverse there is a flaw in the N of Penny hard to explain other than a break in the die or the N being reversed ?  is that possible. 

If interested I will image the whole coin ....I will have to load the second example later , the two below are from the same coin.  I would think that the error may have been created by too high a restamp of the F once possible twice I am unsure what that protrusion is on the top the join appears to be continuous so perhaps a die break as in he F over P in HALF in the 61 

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[DrLarry 443]

1860 TWO TAILED R or RUDE R  .......OR your choice of name perhaps suggest one

 

I have had this one for a few years 1860 toothed .  No die break around the R  and the extension is has  a smooth appearance it looks like the tail end of an R and there is a lot of confused recutting of the inner circle above it ...any suggestions I've only so far found one

[DrLarry 443]

double or  triple D's 1860 beaded ; the first example is associated with significant remodelling of the inner circle done in many places to a very low standard.

I noticed after I posted this that the C of Victoria has been completely moved and the scar exists of the previous C to the right.  

 

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[DrLarry 443]

This one is a follow on of Reverse B subvariety HAIF in this the blockage of the L in HALF  also occurs in the H with the bar missing and the A bar blocked   Many of the letters are also blocked n the obverse and numerous breaks in the die occur especially through the O .  It appears to one of the crooked 1 in the date group  

 

[DrLarry 443]

T OVER T IN VICTORIA  1860 BEADED 

There are two T over T errors in the beaded obverses both show complete misplacement of the letter the T in Victoria seems to be more common than the T over T in BRITT ,.  However that may well be more down to the clarity of the error .  The T over T on the first and the second T in BRITT is harder to spot. 

 

these three examples illustrate the error nicely .

 

[DrLarry 443]

1860 T over T in BRITT first T  I will add these images  tomorrow 

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[DrLarry 443]

  the last few "unusuals " are obverse errors BB 1860 .  The I of BRITT is replicated mistruck higher interestingly on some there are other letters also struck too high.  the gap is pretty significant and the degree to which the inner circle is remodelled suggests this was done by a less proficient man or it was done in a hurry or both.  The error associated with the E in REG has I am certain been recognised for many years but the multiple attempts to restamp it may have eventually resulted in the E over P I illustrated earlier.  This would explain the large nob above the E  and it is not difficult to see how the numerous correction would eventually meet giving the impression of the P ...just a though

these images are all from the same coin 

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[DrLarry 443]

Here are other examples of the I in BRITT Error .  there is a lot of misalignment of the R and the I 

 

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[DrLarry 443]

The E in REG  and the E over P I showed earlier 

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[DrLarry 443]

this one appears to be an attempt to correct for a broken F 

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[DrLarry 443]

Unusually on the beaded 1860 I have never found any serious date errors or corrections apart from one which has the 0 restamped 

 

that just about does it for my 1860 examples I would be very happy to see any examples you may have found or thoughts you might have had.  There is one feature of them I have found interesting which is what appears to me to be two distinct legend stamps.  Many of you have been clear enough to suggest this is nothing unusual but as I mentioned before it was sufficiently important to Wyon to have recut and hardened a different set presumably because of failures or is error in calculating the size when he forgot to take into account the F:D in his design.  To me at least it seems interesting that an "OLD" curly based lettering finer in nature was replaced by a more "SOLID" squared off legend.  These older bases can often be seen (I think)  as remnants.

I should add that all these examples above have been collected in the last 6 years since I started collecting and all have been purchased off  E BAY so there will be more I am sure 

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[Zo Arms 294]

On 10/11/2022 at 1:34 PM, DrLarry said:

This one is a follow on of Reverse B subvariety HAIF in this the blockage of the L in HALF  also occurs in the H with the bar missing and the A bar blocked   Many of the letters are also blocked n the obverse and numerous breaks in the die occur especially through the O .  It appears to one of the crooked 1 in the date group  

 

Satisfying to see another 4+B HAIF. Mine is shown on this thread, back in Jan this year. 

Dracott only lists the 2+B. 

A decent collection of over strikes there Larry. Thank you for showing them.

[DrLarry 443]

1 hour ago, Zo Arms said:

Satisfying to see another 4+B HAIF. Mine is shown on this thread, back in Jan this year. 

Dracott only lists the 2+B. 

A decent collection of over strikes there Larry. Thank you for showing them.

Thank you .  When I started collecting in 2015  I had no interest other than to think all these varieties were a bit navel gazing but as time went on my peculiar brain seems to like spotting them.  I will start listing the 1861's now  then the 62's I am sure it will help someone look for more.  Congratulation with the HAIF,  the L is partially present well there are fragments I will search for yours and compare .. 

[DrLarry 443]

1861 B OVER R .  The 1861 half penny seems to more packed with errors than the 1860 some errors in the proper sense and many restamp errors.  I remember a conversation a few years back when the debate on varieties came up which pretty much went along the lines of ignore them there simply is not enough space to list them all.  Perhaps this is true.  Previously a Geologist it makes me think where would we be if someone said " ignore the microfossils, they cannot be seen so what value is there in them" .  Someday someone may be able to gain some value so here goes.

 

The first two are B over R's  the second two are suspect a die break I think that joins the B and the R giving the impression of an R over a B .  I have never seen as example of the R over B but this is not it 

 

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[DrLarry 443]

HAIF REVERSE E   
Best if I start with reverse E  the LCW , whilst my favourite is reverse F there are any errors in reverse E's I have collected a sample of 30 , 18 of them have some type of error , of course there is nothing statistic in this sample as I select out errors.  I will start with the reverse and then proceed to the obverses unless there is something interesting associated with something unusual on the reverse 

 

The HAIF error exists on a few half pennies two in 1860 .  there is an interesting obverse die break again through the R in BRITT 

 

 

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[DrLarry 443]

sorry yes I should have listed the errors in Reverse D OBV 7 first off there do appear to be two date ypes ne with the date spaced wide and the other the 1 closer to the 6  one of the values in making these catalogues to share is that it forces me to re-examine and spot new things.  In total I have 6 reverse D's if anyone is collecting data

The first error I think has been noticed before with a 1 over 1 but in the example I have the 6 is also doubled 

image of 1 over 1 6 restamp on the obverse the B of BRITT is over a B 

wide date and "narrow " date 

 

[DrLarry 443]

Reverse D OBV 7 wide and "narrow" date 

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[mick1271 159]

On 10/12/2022 at 9:39 PM, DrLarry said:

1860 T over T in BRITT first T  I will add these images  tomorrow 

T over T , but not a Halfpenny . Its on an F10 Penny.

 

[DrLarry 443]

reverse E continued : F274 with obverse 5   with an 8 to the side of the 8 and the 6 over a 6 or it is possible that the 8 is over a 6 and the 6 over and 8 the curvature of the overstamp on the 6 seems closer to and 8 than a 6 but this may simply be the pressure on the stamp .  It appears to have the flaw in the forehead so I am opting for OBV 5 but please correct me it could be OBV 4 ....the ribbon end seems somehow wrong longer on one (left side) could be a blockage