1822 farthings and an Inverted A

[Kipster 217]

Afternoon all,

Quick question please. Looking through the Spink at the listings of George IV farthings, and it seems there's an "1822 -inv. A's legend." I've looked online and can't seem to find any reference to this, so any ideas please? I've had a look in Peck and can't see anything, and as the Freeman doesn't go back that early,  any pointers gratefully received.

Ta.

[DrLarry 443]

1 hour ago, Kipster said:

Afternoon all,

Quick question please. Looking through the Spink at the listings of George IV farthings, and it seems there's an "1822 -inv. A's legend." I've looked online and can't seem to find any reference to this, so any ideas please? I've had a look in Peck and can't see anything, and as the Freeman doesn't go back that early,  any pointers gratefully received.

Ta.

do you happen to have one?  

[Kipster 217]

27 minutes ago, DrLarry said:

do you happen to have one?  

Unfortunately not, no. I'm trying to work out where an inverted A would fit into the legend. I assume it would be the U in GEORGIUS?

[Rob 3,152]

Welcome to the forum.

I have no idea as I've not seen one, but can't see it being a barred U. Maybe an A over an inverted A (or two)? I can't see it reading GRVTIV or BRITVNNIVR, as that would make the 6 o'clock news.

[DrLarry 443]

3 hours ago, Kipster said:

Unfortunately not, no. I'm trying to work out where an inverted A would fit into the legend. I assume it would be the U in GEORGIUS?

it is not one I have ever looked for there is nothing on Colin's about farthings website under George IV ...there is I think a dot after the date variety ....maybe Spink made an error !!!  

Edited January 4, 2023 by DrLarry

[DrLarry 443]

18 hours ago, Kipster said:

Unfortunately not, no. I'm trying to work out where an inverted A would fit into the legend. I assume it would be the U in GEORGIUS?

yes I imagine it can only be on the U that the inversion might have occurred there is nothing much else in this series legend it could be.  There seem to be a few errors in this series unless the engraver was making a statement on the the king GEORGI ASs  satirical humour in this era was well established,  not the greatest respected 19th C kings 

[Kipster 217]

It set me on Columbo mode and trawled through god knows how many pages of the interweb looking for it. Funnily enough, I did find mention of it briefly on a page somewhere in the universe but like an idiot I didn't favourite the page to have a proper look at.

Maybe you're right, maybe Spink have got it wrong, seeing as Peck doesn't seem to mention it (unless I skimmed it).

[Martinminerva 330]

Suspect it is a slight Spink confusion for un-barred A's in Britanniar, which is sometimes erroneously referred to in the literature as inverted V's. It is just die wear or die fill, and happens a lot in the Georgian and Victorian copper farthing series.

See, for example, http://www.farthingshalfpennyerrors.com/george-iv-farthing-1822-un-barred-a-in-britannia-obverse-1-raised-midribs/

 

 

[DrLarry 443]

7 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

Suspect it is a slight Spink confusion for un-barred A's in Britanniar, which is sometimes erroneously referred to in the literature as inverted V's. It is just die wear or die fill, and happens a lot in the Georgian and Victorian copper farthing series.

See, for example, http://www.farthingshalfpennyerrors.com/george-iv-farthing-1822-un-barred-a-in-britannia-obverse-1-raised-midribs/

 

 

that sounds a better idea than the A for a U 

[Kipster 217]

On 1/5/2023 at 1:09 PM, Martinminerva said:

Suspect it is a slight Spink confusion for un-barred A's in Britanniar, which is sometimes erroneously referred to in the literature as inverted V's. It is just die wear or die fill, and happens a lot in the Georgian and Victorian copper farthing series.

See, for example, http://www.farthingshalfpennyerrors.com/george-iv-farthing-1822-un-barred-a-in-britannia-obverse-1-raised-midribs/

 

 

 

On 1/5/2023 at 8:02 PM, DrLarry said:

that sounds a better idea than the A for a U 

Thanks both. Probably the reason why. Much obliged.