1853 Gothic florin WITH stop after date

[david.bordeaux 177]

Does this exist? Anybody got one or seen one? It has been listed since The Milled SIlver Coinage of England (Spink, 1925) and appears in "old" ESC as 807B and the current edition of Bull as 2825 (with rarity R3). Davies lists it as 723 but with an asterisk to indicate "to be confirmed".

I suspect it is one of those errors that have been copied and pasted from the 1925 book (like the 1887 florin with 34 arcs).

Dickinson wrote in 1978 and 1980 (Seaby Coin and Medal Bulletin) that the 1853 florin with a stop after the date was "unlikely to exist" and I am inclined to agree.

[Iannich48 202]

I have not got, or seen one of these either.  It might exist I guess, but who knows?

[Martinminerva 353]

I believe too it doesn't exist. As has been said before on this and other gothic florin threads, there are an awful lot of mistakes in the catalogues and listings for this series that just keep being perpetuated (eg the Bull reference)!

[Bruce 194]

I also haven't seen one before.

[Peckris 2 2,189]

I've seen this in my copy of Spink 1925 - it could simply be a printing error, as there isn't a listing for 1853 without a stop after the date.

[Martinminerva 353]

On 8/19/2024 at 3:49 PM, Martinminerva said:

I believe too it doesn't exist.

Well, I take it all back! I have now seen this one. The seller states that 3 are known (not sure where that data is obtained from though). Just to clarify - this is not the type with the last i re-entered directly over a much lower i - I have one of those!  The stop (or blob ?) is significantly offset from the final i.  So, is this what the cataloguers meant?

 

[DaveG38 420]

That's what I call a cud!

[Paddy 1,861]

A similar (the same?) coin is being discussed on the coincommunity.com forum at the moment.

 

[Martinminerva 353]

1 hour ago, Paddy said:

A similar (the same?) coin is being discussed on the coincommunity.com forum at the moment.

Can you post a link to it as I'm not on that forum? Thanks.

 

[Paddy 1,861]

Here you go:

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=475473#4232484

 

[Martinminerva 353]

Thanks! It's not the same coin. On this one above, the stop is significantly bigger and in a different location. Also, the coin above is more heavily worn than the coincommunity one.