Penny's Edward III 1327-1377

[Citizen H 79]

good morning, 

So Ive had a look and I think this may be right ? ? ?

2 x Penny's Edward III 1327-1377 Its still early days taking this all in, Stuart many thanks for all your guidance its been a great help. and do please keep me updated where its going wrong.

I'm finding others that have dates on them and you can make out who the king is, aha! it will hopefully keep you all still interested.

All the very best "H"

  

[jelida 1,374]

Well the one on the left has two circles of lettering on reverse, and is either a groat or halfgroat, probably the latter given its size though it is quite clipped. London mint and probably Edward III. The pellets between the letters of TAS are interesting. The other looks to me a penny of Edward I/II, bifoliate crown. But I’ll leave more detail to others better informed.

Jerry

[Coinery 1,248]

I was just going to say…Ed III Halfgroat, the obverse congestion of devices the decider for me but, as said, it’s clipped.

The second is a class 10 Edward I Penny 1300-1310. This class merges with the coinage of Edward II (1307) a little bit, though numismatically his coinage is agreed to commence at class 11.

[Citizen H 79]

2 hours ago, jelida said:

Well the one on the left has two circles of lettering on reverse, and is either a groat or halfgroat, probably the latter given its size though it is quite clipped. London mint and probably Edward III. The pellets between the letters of TAS are interesting. The other looks to me a penny of Edward I/II, bifoliate crown. But I’ll leave more detail to others better informed.

Jerry

Many Thanks for all of this information, its really helpful, many thanks "H"

[Citizen H 79]

2 hours ago, Coinery said:

I was just going to say…Ed III Halfgroat, the obverse congestion of devices the decider for me but, as said, it’s clipped.

The second is a class 10 Edward I Penny 1300-1310. This class merges with the coinage of Edward II (1307) a little bit, though numismatically his coinage is agreed to commence at class 11.

once again Many Thanks Stuart for all of this information, its really helpful,  things have gotten better with some of the others I have been looking at, Ironically I was talking Groats the other day and there you go, one turns out to be a groat. Doh! many thanks "H"

[Martinminerva 355]

28 minutes ago, Citizen H said:

one turns out to be a groat.

It's a half groat - two pence.

 

[Citizen H 79]

1 hour ago, Martinminerva said:

It's a half groat - two pence.

 

this place and wealth of knowledge is awesome, i can see I have a long way to go......but I'm at the right place! 58 and still learning carries on, many many thanks "H"  

[scottishmoney 51]

The one on the left, likely a half-groat, circulated for a very long time to get to that state.  And the earliest monarch it could be would be EIII as half groats were not minted before his reign.

[Citizen H 79]

Back to the top of this post 9th of Jan, I incorrectly listed these as 2 x Penny's Edward III 1327-1377.......

Today I've found another of what I now think is a

1 Penny - Edward I, class 10?

( I have the dates as 1300-1310... other places I read it as in circulation 1301-1305 ?)

long cross Pattee, or Potent ?

please shout out if this different from the other one previously posted, from the collection point of view it would be nice to have one that's different. 

many thanks "H" 

 

 

 

 

[Coinery 1,248]

A Canterbury Class 9 penny 👍

[Citizen H 79]

14 hours ago, Coinery said:

A Canterbury Class 9 penny 👍

Many thanks for this, so one is Canterbury class 9, the other is Class 10... would this be Canterbury? or Calais , London?? with these I read somewhere , "No mintmarks were issued during the reign of Edward I, II. A system combination of Mint place names and Moneyer's was used"  errrrrmmm? How?? many many thanks "H" 

Edited Tuesday at 09:19 AM by Citizen H

[Sylvester 55]

Edward I era pennies, the mint is stated in the reverse legend.

The Class 9 is Canterbury - CIVITAS CANTOR

The Class 10 is London - CIVITAS LONDON

[Citizen H 79]

1 hour ago, Sylvester said:

Edward I era pennies, the mint is stated in the reverse legend.

The Class 9 is Canterbury - CIVITAS CANTOR

The Class 10 is London - CIVITAS LONDON

many thanks, I think I can now make out the London and the Civitas Cantor Canterbury I can see it clearly now this is pointed out, ....its been a great help and still finding more that I'm working though

Civitas is a Latin word that means citizenship, state, or city-state. hence 

CIVITAS CANTOR = Canterbury

CIVITAS LONDON

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All the very best "H"   👍

Edited Tuesday at 11:39 AM by Citizen H

[Sylvester 55]

CIVITAS also means city in this context. You may even find some Edward pennies that state VILLA, or town. I believe Bristol would be one such example.

Pre-Edward I coins normally state the moneyer and the town/city. So if you have any Long Cross or Short Cross pennies, they state things like: WILLELM ON LUND (William of London), RICARD ON WINC (Richard of Winchester), ROGER ON NICOLE (Roger of Lincoln) etc. You can find whole lists of moneyers that are currently known about - coin books/internet sites etc.