More cool junk

[Citizen H 37]

Redemption required, 

This (I hope) is the worse of the worse finished with, at least by todays offerings, 

the collecting? is to be honest must be the most un organised, random assembly of "why the heck did he get that!?!??!?"

entertainment ! 😁

so I think we have

1591 James VI (seen better days)

J758 George II VF

1571 Elizabeth I (knackered?)

please be gentle with me........

[Citizen H 37]

I forgot to mention, I did notice the tudor rose to the right of the coins with the faces dated 1591 & the 1571,  interesting (for me as just only noticed) 

[Paddy 1,746]

Hammered is not really my best subject, but the top one is Elizabeth I of England, not James VI of Scotland. Others will be better than me on the denominations.

The 1758 coin is a sixpence I believe. That and the shilling of the same date are probably the easiest of the George II silver coins to get hold of. Yours is a decent example.

 

[Coinery 1,157]

Yes, both are Elizabeth sixpences. The 1591 is mintmark Hand, and the other is mintmark Eglantine, which should date it 1573-1577. Your photos aren’t clear enough to see what’s going on with the last digit of the date, but it shouldn’t be 1571, as that would make it mintmark castle?

A clearer close up of the date and mintmark would be interesting.

edit: all three sixpences in the £15-£30 bracket

Edited January 10 by Coinery

[Sword 1,488]

Easily identifiable Tudor coins with readable legends and dates are certainly not junk! They are pieces of history and can be fascinating to beginners. 

[Coinery 1,157]

21 hours ago, Coinery said:

edit: all three sixpences in the £15-£30 bracket

That is to say £15-£30ish each, not all three together

Top to bottom

£28-30

£20

£15-20

And as Sword says, not junk, rather a great bit of history.

[copper123 1,504]

Junk is 1960's pocket change 

[Citizen H 37]

Its a Figure of speech by me, "Cool Junk" I have many Items that I wouldn't part with and will be showing some items, 

I'm so interested in the coins that I have and how the heck was the coins trackable with so much going on? and really Many thanks for the help, 

I did get around to a close up of the 1571, hope fully this will help answer the question about the mint.

     

[Citizen H 37]

1 hour ago, Coinery said:

That is to say £15-£30ish each, not all three together

Top to bottom

£28-30

£20

£15-20

And as Sword says, not junk, rather a great bit of history.

Awesome, it probably would have been boot car finds in the early 1990's, a few £ each, oh and I also picked up a Human hand for £3.20p

Many thanks Stuart. I'm keeping a label with each of them so the next family member will at least be of interest for them.     

[copper123 1,504]

A human hand ? - bet that came in handy!

[copper123 1,504]

You did not make the film "Young frankenstein" did you ?

He had a massive swanstucker

[Citizen H 37]

On 1/11/2025 at 6:53 PM, copper123 said:

You did not make the film "Young frankenstein" did you ?

He had a massive swanstucker

Ah, no wasn't me, and yes kept just in case it comes in handy.....

on one Sunday afternoon trudging around a hot field looking at stalls that are best described as one stop away a rubbish dump... I happen upon a paste table with carrier bags loaded with bones... turns out the fella is house clearance service and a loft at a doctors house was cleared, all sorts of medical equipment and.... stuff was sold. last knockings at 3pm find what you want and make an offer..... my kinda chat! so skull was sold to his mate and the rest had to go as his wife didn't want it back in the house...by order! so manage to find the right hand and with £3.20p to my name a deal was done! 

         

[copper123 1,504]

yikes as scooby doo would say

[Coinery 1,157]

On 1/11/2025 at 3:24 PM, Citizen H said:

Its a Figure of speech by me, "Cool Junk" I have many Items that I wouldn't part with and will be showing some items, 

I'm so interested in the coins that I have and how the heck was the coins trackable with so much going on? and really Many thanks for the help, 

I did get around to a close up of the 1571, hope fully this will help answer the question about the mint.

     

Apologies I missed this one!

Seeing this up close, now confirms for me it’s a contemporary counterfeit! The lis, lions, mintmark and lettering are all wrong for type. It would’ve turned numismatics on its head if it was 1571 with eglantine

All the same it’s probably worth the same as the genuine article, and much more interesting on account of it.

Edited January 13 by Coinery

[Citizen H 37]

27 minutes ago, Coinery said:

Apologies I missed this one!

Seeing this up close, now confirms for me it’s a contemporary counterfeit! The lis, lions, mintmark and lettering are all wrong for type. It would’ve turned numismatics on its head if it was 1571 with eglantine

All the same it’s probably worth the same as the genuine article, and much more interesting on account of it.

Well I never.... a Counterfeit living or occurring at the same time, I did go an have a look see CooooooooL!

 The Treason Act 1415 (4 Hen. 5. Stat. 1. c. 6) was an Act of the Parliament of England which made clipping coins high treason, punishable by death. (It was already treason to counterfeit coins. ) The act was repealed by the Treason Act 1553, and then revived again in 1562. The act originally only protected English coins, but was later extended in 1575 to cover foreign coins "current" within England........  

Also.....

Treason is perhaps the most infamous crime in English Legal History, due in part to the horrendous punishment that came with it but also due to its often strong political importance. The punishment that was often inflicted was the drawing of the traitor across rough ground by horse, he would then be hanged to within an inch of death, followed by being disembowelled, burnt, and beheaded. Your remaining carcass was cut into four pieces. The punishment of being hung, drawn and quartered has morbidly captured the public’s imagination for many centuries.

Bloody heck! 

[scottishmoney 36]

Just a note on contemporary counterfeits - they were made to circulate and not fool future collectors - as noted above the penalties were stiff if the forgers were caught.  Any counterfeits found in circulation by the authorities would have been destroyed - as a result forgeries are often quite a bit scarcer than the authentic coins.  During Queen Mary of Scotland's reign French troops were billeted in Edinburgh - it is believed they were the guilty parties forging low value 2d coins ie bodles with bronze instead of billon as the authentic coins.  The forged coins are quite scarce but have a history and are worth more than the reasonably common authentic bodles.