Florins, Shillings and Misc .... on going sort out.

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Anne

Half crown

1709

It just to show you.....it wasn't been until I photo the coin and enlarged it did I notice

that some historical vandal scratched M & S either side of the bust......Gits! I hadn't seen this in all these years..... only if these could talk, 

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fortunately this side was untouched and only circulation rubbed damaged, 

Edited April 23 by Citizen H

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both coins are nice to have - the William especially.

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  On 4/23/2025 at 8:26 PM, Peckris 2 said:

both coins are nice to have - the William especially.

Cheers, its been quite a journey working through all that I have with me, The William III I read......

" In 1696 a great re-coinage was undertaken to replace the hammered silver that made up most of the coinage in circulation, much of it being clipped and badly worn. Branch mints were set up at Bristol, Chester, Exeter, Norwich and York to help with the re-coinage"

to be honest at the time I picked up coins that were Silver, very old, and Historically Interesting......that I failed to research....until now...!?!?!

many thanks "H"  

Edited April 23 by Citizen H

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1 Shilling

George IV

2nd portrait; 3rd reverse

with a common coin, condition is key, this would be the better of others I have,

any suggestions as to this coin's grade ? I have posted another one that has a counterstamp which I find fascinating although its been dismissed by others I've shown . 

many thanks "H"  

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1 Shilling 1758

George II

Older bust

Nice condition. again any Ideas of its grade?   

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Edited April 24 by Sword

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  On 4/24/2025 at 8:32 PM, Sword said:

GF/NVF for the George II shilling I think. The reverse is better. Good coin.

 

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  On 4/23/2025 at 6:57 PM, Citizen H said:

Anne

Half crown

1709

It just to show you.....it wasn't been until I photo the coin and enlarged it did I notice

that some historical vandal scratched M & S either side of the bust......Gits! I hadn't seen this in all these years..... only if these could talk, 

Make the most of the situation. Try selling it to Martin Scorsese and see if you can make a profit.

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  On 4/24/2025 at 1:40 PM, Citizen H said:

1 Shilling

George IV

2nd portrait; 3rd reverse

with a common coin, condition is key, this would be the better of others I have,

any suggestions as to this coin's grade ? I have posted another one that has a counterstamp which I find fascinating although its been dismissed by others I've shown . 

many thanks "H"  

It’s not VF but it’s better than Fine. Between the two I'd say.

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  On 4/24/2025 at 2:53 PM, Citizen H said:

It’s not that far off VF imo. Obviously such coins look more worn when enlarged, so in hand it probably looks very nice.

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  On 2/2/2025 at 8:12 PM, Paddy said:

That coin has certainly seen some history! Difficult to be sure if it is a halfcrown or a Shilling without a scale. It is, however, definitely a Chester coin because of the C beneath the bust.

Here from my collection is one of the 1689 Half Crown who referred to:

after sifting through some more boxes I found this Half Crown....I didnt realise I had it..... looking further in to its details this one has a slightly different Shield, I believe this is 1st Bust, 1st Shield,  

A remarkable find amongst my hoard, it was a reminder of the one Paddy showed me.    👍

Edited May 9 by Citizen H

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one florins 

Victoria 1887 2nd portrait , nice condition considering some of the finds I have. 

George V 1st Issue, 2 x 1912, 1 x 1916 

Edited May 12 by Citizen H

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another 2 coins worth showing in a respectable condition.... 

George V Half Crown 1914

Victoria One Florin 1864 1st portrait (Gothic) 

any ideas of the Grade these would be ?

 

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Victoria Double Florin 1887

George III Half Crown 1st portrait 1816 

fine details, but shame that there's dings to Victoria face, .......... 😒

Edited May 13 by Citizen H

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  On 5/13/2025 at 1:26 PM, Citizen H said:

another 2 coins worth showing in a respectable condition.... 

George V Half Crown 1914

Victoria One Florin 1864 1st portrait (Gothic) 

any ideas of the Grade these would be ?

 

Both are around VF I think.

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  On 5/13/2025 at 1:26 PM, Citizen H said:

another 2 coins worth showing in a respectable condition.... 

George V Half Crown 1914

Victoria One Florin 1864 1st portrait (Gothic) 

any ideas of the Grade these would be ?

 

The 1914 is AVF/GVF, the Gothic is GVF minimum, IMO.

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I'm now looking into the actual grade of my coins as a few of my recent shown coins are really in quite good condition (apart from the Hammered Coins). I found with the 3 pence I had 6 of the same date, I was able to compare all and reject the obvious and work down to the best example of the lot, what I recently read.......a opinion of others can be a useful leveller, I believed that Fine would have been a near perfect coin........  

Coin Grading UK

Going from the lowest grade to the highest the coin grading system in the UK is as follows:

Poor (P) – extremely worn and most of the details will be missing but you will still be able to identify the coin as to type.

Fair (FR) – A grade where the coin has seen much wear and it is only just discernible what the coin is. Collectors usually stay away from this grade unless the coin or note is especially rare or expensive.

Good (G) – A grade which denotes a considerable amount of wear. The coin is discernible but the lettering may not be clearly visible.

Very Good (VG) – A grade where the coin has experienced a lot of wear and where the details are still discernible but worn.

Fine (F) – A grade when the coin or note has seen considerable wear but is still very collectable. Many collectors like a used coin because they feel that it has actually been somewhere. Collectors on a budget also like this grade.

Very Fine (VF) – A grade of coin where there has been obvious but relatively restricted wear on the highest portions of the coin.

Extremely Fine (EF) – A grade where there is little actual wear except on the high points. On copper and bronze, original lustre might well still be in evidence. A most appealing and attractive grade, much undervalued by the marketplace in its seeking of the ultimate perfection.

About Uncirculated (AU) – A grade which is designated as About Uncirculated.

Uncirculated (Unc) – A grade which indicates that a coin has never been released into circulation. Although a coin may be less than perfect when struck, with scratches and nicks, that does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. Over the years a coin may tone or a copper coin may change from bright to dark, again this does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. The term literally means a coin which has not seen circulation

Brilliant Uncirculated (Brilliant Unc) – On copper and bronze coins it means bright and shiny just as they came from the mint. On silver coins, it means with little or no toning, perhaps the middle coins from a roll where the outer coins have toned.

Choice Uncirculated (Choice Unc) – A coin is Uncirculated if it has never been in circulation and is without wear. But due to the vagaries of how coins are struck, how the dies were made and how the coins were treated after striking, there are different grades of Uncirculated. Choice Uncirculated is better than a normal Uncirculated coin with far fewer bag marks and is well struck with full and uninterrupted lustre.

Gem Uncirculated (Gem Unc) – A grade of a coin struck for circulation. We consider this to be the highest grade that a coin can achieve. There must be full and outstanding lustre, an exceptional strike, no nicks and only the smallest bag marks discernible under a strong glass. This quality is harder to achieve in larger sized coins than in smaller sized ones. Fewer than 2% of all Uncirculated coins can be called Gem.

Mint State(MS) – As a grading term, it refers to the highest grading a coin can have. It is also referred to as FDC.

Fleur de Coin (FDC) – A French term which translates as `flower of the die' and means Uncirculated. This term was used far more when coins were either mint or used. Today we use the term to represent a full mint state coin in impeccable condition (perfect Uncirculated of at least choice quality). Used far more on the Continent than in Great Britain today.

Proof – In this country proof is a method of striking and not a condition. A proof coin is struck most carefully with polished dies and a polished flan. It will be struck more than once to get the high relief to show all the fine details. Sometimes you will get a lead piece with half of a coin, this is done to proof the die before striking.

Be careful about grading and until you learn how to grade yourself,

Ok message understood.........🫡

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Charles II 4th Bust Crown 1679

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Citizen H

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  On 5/15/2025 at 10:33 AM, Citizen H said:

I'm now looking into the actual grade of my coins as a few of my recent shown coins are really in quite good condition (apart from the Hammered Coins). I found with the 3 pence I had 6 of the same date, I was able to compare all and reject the obvious and work down to the best example of the lot, what I recently read.......a opinion of others can be a useful leveller, I believed that Fine would have been a near perfect coin........  

Coin Grading UK

Going from the lowest grade to the highest the coin grading system in the UK is as follows:

Poor (P) – extremely worn and most of the details will be missing but you will still be able to identify the coin as to type.

Fair (FR) – A grade where the coin has seen much wear and it is only just discernible what the coin is. Collectors usually stay away from this grade unless the coin or note is especially rare or expensive.

Good (G) – A grade which denotes a considerable amount of wear. The coin is discernible but the lettering may not be clearly visible.

Very Good (VG) – A grade where the coin has experienced a lot of wear and where the details are still discernible but worn.

Fine (F) – A grade when the coin or note has seen considerable wear but is still very collectable. Many collectors like a used coin because they feel that it has actually been somewhere. Collectors on a budget also like this grade.

Very Fine (VF) – A grade of coin where there has been obvious but relatively restricted wear on the highest portions of the coin.

Extremely Fine (EF) – A grade where there is little actual wear except on the high points. On copper and bronze, original lustre might well still be in evidence. A most appealing and attractive grade, much undervalued by the marketplace in its seeking of the ultimate perfection.

About Uncirculated (AU) – A grade which is designated as About Uncirculated.

Uncirculated (Unc) – A grade which indicates that a coin has never been released into circulation. Although a coin may be less than perfect when struck, with scratches and nicks, that does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. Over the years a coin may tone or a copper coin may change from bright to dark, again this does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. The term literally means a coin which has not seen circulation

Brilliant Uncirculated (Brilliant Unc) – On copper and bronze coins it means bright and shiny just as they came from the mint. On silver coins, it means with little or no toning, perhaps the middle coins from a roll where the outer coins have toned.

Choice Uncirculated (Choice Unc) – A coin is Uncirculated if it has never been in circulation and is without wear. But due to the vagaries of how coins are struck, how the dies were made and how the coins were treated after striking, there are different grades of Uncirculated. Choice Uncirculated is better than a normal Uncirculated coin with far fewer bag marks and is well struck with full and uninterrupted lustre.

Gem Uncirculated (Gem Unc) – A grade of a coin struck for circulation. We consider this to be the highest grade that a coin can achieve. There must be full and outstanding lustre, an exceptional strike, no nicks and only the smallest bag marks discernible under a strong glass. This quality is harder to achieve in larger sized coins than in smaller sized ones. Fewer than 2% of all Uncirculated coins can be called Gem.

Mint State(MS) – As a grading term, it refers to the highest grading a coin can have. It is also referred to as FDC.

Fleur de Coin (FDC) – A French term which translates as `flower of the die' and means Uncirculated. This term was used far more when coins were either mint or used. Today we use the term to represent a full mint state coin in impeccable condition (perfect Uncirculated of at least choice quality). Used far more on the Continent than in Great Britain today.

Proof – In this country proof is a method of striking and not a condition. A proof coin is struck most carefully with polished dies and a polished flan. It will be struck more than once to get the high relief to show all the fine details. Sometimes you will get a lead piece with half of a coin, this is done to proof the die before striking.

Be careful about grading and until you learn how to grade yourself,

Ok message understood.........🫡

Some of the above grades are questionable. Specifically:

• the grades Fair and Very Good (VG) are interchangeable, and describe a coin that is very worn but where most of the legend is intact, and where the main designs are more than just outlines; in other words, the grade below Fine.
• About Unc is a coin that is About Unc - oh, please!!
• Choice Unc and Gem Unc are just terms used by dealers to enhance a description and make a coin seem more desirable
• BU and Mint State are the same thing
• FDC should only strictly be used of proofs

Otherwise useful.