Florins, Shillings and Misc .... on going sort out.

[Peckris 2 2,184]

The engraver was Bertram McKennial not de Saulles.

I wonder where you get the R7 from? Quite a nice coin, between F and VF for me.

[Citizen H 73]

12 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

The engraver was Bertram McKennial not de Saulles.

I wonder where you get the R7 from? Quite a nice coin, between F and VF for me.

I happened upon Numista.... when I first join the Forum I was depending on everyone to tell me everything.... I've been experiencing fatigue an its been difficult trying to get things right... I did happen upon  Numista that seems a useful place to check out coins an lots of extra information, they lower down provided a Numista Rarity index: and a  Bullion value: which is useful to know if buying worn out ones so you don't over pay....  I'm also trying to keep the forum tidy and add to my existing topic rather than keep opening new topic... I hope this help, all the very best "H" oh and thank you for the grading. its nice to know that, as another area I'm not sure about!?!?!   

Edited March 5 by Citizen H

[Citizen H 73]

more from my Silver coin (hoard) boot fair finds over the past 30 odd years.

Victorian Shilling 1887 2nd portrait; 1st type

Engraver: Leonard Charles Wyon, Rarity index: 9 

Edward VII Shilling 1904

Engraver: George William de Saulles,  Rarity index: 10 

 

 

[Citizen H 73]

more from my Silver coin (hoard) boot fair finds over the past 30 odd years.

George II 1745  Older bust

1 Shilling

Standard circulation coin

Engraver: John Tanner

Rarity index: 25 

 

Edited March 6 by Citizen H

[Citizen H 73]

more from my Silver coin (hoard) boot fair finds over the past 30 odd years.

Charles II 1684 

4 Pence 

Standard circulation coin

Engraver: John Roettier

Rarity index: 40

 

[Citizen H 73]

On 3/4/2025 at 9:58 PM, Peckris 2 said:

The engraver was Bertram McKennial not de Saulles.

I wonder where you get the R7 from? Quite a nice coin, between F and VF for me.

Ahhh....

it seems that

Obverse Engraver: Edgar Bertram MacKennal

Reverse Engraver: George William de Saulles

so only half wrong....or right depending what side of the coin you look at....  

Edited March 6 by Citizen H

[Peckris 2 2,184]

I don't know this Numista rarity index at all, but from what I can see it appears that the higher the number, the rarer the item. I was initially thrown by the R7, because the grading scale used by ESC (for example) only goes up to 7 which means extremely rare. Freeman goes up to 20 which is ‘possibly unique’. With your (fairly standard) Charles II  4d rated R40, I deduce that index may go up to 100?

ETA: just Googled, and indeed it goes up to 100, but they say it’s based on how many Numista members have the item and how often it is up for ‘swap’, so fairly esoteric, I'd say!

Edited Wednesday at 04:31 PM by Peckris 2

[Citizen H 73]

3 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

I don't know this Numista rarity index at all, but from what I can see it appears that the higher the number, the rarer the item. I was initially thrown by the R7, because the grading scale used by ESC (for example) only goes up to 7 which means extremely rare. Freeman goes up to 20 which is ‘possibly unique’. With your (fairly standard) Charles II  4d rated R40, I deduce that index may go up to 100?

ETA: just Googled, and indeed it goes up to 100, but they say it’s based on how many Numista members have the item and how often it is up for ‘swap’, so fairly esoteric, I'd say!

Crikey.... I didnt realise, I thought Numista was based on a rarity index listed else where ? I do have to say there was such a rarity index else where then please do share...id hate to be responsible for listing duff information, and like others i will find a rarity index of use.

Peckris... many thanks for your input...others..... please disregard my coin rarity previously stated...its very possible to be not valid ......sorry! 

[Peckris 2 2,184]

23 hours ago, Citizen H said:

Crikey.... I didnt realise, I thought Numista was based on a rarity index listed else where ? I do have to say there was such a rarity index else where then please do share...id hate to be responsible for listing duff information, and like others i will find a rarity index of use.

Peckris... many thanks for your input...others..... please disregard my coin rarity previously stated...its very possible to be not valid ......sorry! 

I wouldn't go that far - the coins that you've used it on are as relatively scarce to each other as the index suggests. As far as general copper and bronze coins go, most people use Freeman / Peck / Gouby as reliable indicators of rarity. Spink’s catalogue’s values can be used as a vague indication of rarity but need to be taken with a huge pinch of salt, as popularity as well as scarcity affects values : for example, the 1902LT & 1912H pennies are nowhere near as scarce as their values suggest.

[Citizen H 73]

7 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

I wouldn't go that far - the coins that you've used it on are as relatively scarce to each other as the index suggests. As far as general copper and bronze coins go, most people use Freeman / Peck / Gouby as reliable indicators of rarity. Spink’s catalogue’s values can be used as a vague indication of rarity but need to be taken with a huge pinch of salt, as popularity as well as scarcity affects values : for example, the 1902LT & 1912H pennies are nowhere near as scarce as their values suggest.

Ahhhhhhhh,! the forum has been a wealth of information, Ive been sorting through 30 odd years of picking up silver coins and only now  beginning to get coins in a date order these start off in 1200's into the 1800's  over 18 different coins, ok so value is of interest however finding out the scarcer they are has out weighed this for my interest...its also nudge me into learning more about The Royals......  Numista has been a useful place that I will look to... many thanks Peckris 2,