Short cross penny

[Guest scut]

I have been researching the short cross penny. I would like some help regarding the dating of the coins. How do you tell what grade the coins are and if it is a grade 4 for example how can you decide if it is a Henry I or a John. I understand all Short Cross Pennies have the same words struck on the obverse and the monneyer and mint on the reverse. But this is all so how are they dated please?

Thanks.

[krasnaya_vityaz 0]

Good reference material, Seaby, or Coincraft are helpful with this, there are nuances in the lettering styles etc which determine which are said to determine under which monarch the coins were issued. But you must appreciate that there is much conjecture here, since these coins were minted 700-800 years ago, and so far they are silent on the matter, and record keeping from that time is rather skint. So often times it is a situation of best guess.

[Geordie582 18]

Grading of Hammered is not so much a science as a 'wet finger'! Try to grade some of Henry II 'Tealby' pennies and you'll see what I mean.

[Peter 615]

Yep...Very difficult to grade....the Yanks grading system can't handle it because each coin is individual.

Its all down to eye appeal/roundness of flan/depth of strike/no clipping etc etc.

You really can't categorize it.

Spinks pricing is only a guide,

Good hammered examples between F & EF will always demand a premium.

As struck can only grade F sometimes....that is the beauty of hammered.

[Sylvester 15]

I love hammered coins!

[TomGoodheart 403]

Me too! Partly because they are all so individual, partly because what with all the various recoinages it's a small miracle any have survived this long and partly because the Americans don't yet seem to have got into them in a big way!!

[Geordie582 18]

I go even further and am collecting cut halfpennies and farthings of the Plantagenets. Money has a lot to do with it! I'd really like to collect all the kings of Northumbria, but there's little chance of that.

[Guest Guest]

I love cut 1/2's and 1/4,s....because thats what they were.....Anyone know of a god site to buy tin snips?

[Peter 615]

It twas I & a fine piece of beef and exceptional Spanish Red...Aye.......along day.

[Peter 615]

& less of the "god sites"

[TomGoodheart 403]

Er... I think I've lost the thread here.. (or someone has !)

[Peter 615]

Twas a long day...and today is proving longer

Kill or cure tonight...Mrs Peter has a nice bottle of bordeaux airing...

[Geordie582 18]

It's said "you have to be mad to be a numismatist". Looks like they're right!

[Sylvester 15]

The sky is blue, the clouds are whispy.

The grass is brunswick grren and there's a giraffe doing handstands.

Did i pass?

[Peter 615]

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