Inverted 1 query, double florin

[Guest Eric]

I was under the impression that the so-called inverted 1 varietyon the double florin only ocurred on the second I in Victoria. However, I have a double florin (1888) on which this appears on the first I in Victoria. Is this unusual?

[Rob]

I was under the impression that the so-called inverted 1 varietyon the double florin only ocurred on the second I in Victoria. However, I have a double florin (1888) on which this appears on the first I in Victoria. Is this unusual?

Firstly, as it notes on the bottom of page 51 in ESC, the "inverted 1" is actually from a broken I punch. The picture below shows this. All the inv. 1s I have seen have the small notch in the top right hand side of the upright. Compare this with the 1 in the date and this notch is not present. Alternatively it could be a case of an infilled die so it would help if you posted a picture.

An additional related query I would like to raise is whether anyone has a number of high grade inverted 1 pieces from both years to make a comparison. The lower inverted 1 in the picture is from an 1889 whilst the upper one is from an 1888. The later year is obviously struck from the same defective punch, but has an underlying feature corresponding to a normal I. As this is not found on the 1888 piece it must clearly be from either the earlier die subsequently modified or more plausibly a different die. Can anyone shed any light on this or does anyone have any ideas on the number of "inverted 1" dies used?

[Guest Guest]

Hope thjs works

[Rob]

Hope thjs works

If possible, please supply a higher resolution picture as it is not possible to see the fine detail which will be necessary to identify what is present. This is important because the toothed border looks worn suggesting a low grade coin which make positive identification problematical.

[Guest Eric]

Hope thjs works

If possible, please supply a higher resolution picture as it is not possible to see the fine detail which will be necessary to identify what is present. This is important because the toothed border looks worn suggesting a low grade coin which make positive identification problematical.

Have to go to the farm for some eggs, now, but will do a complete scan, higher definition, later.

[Guest Eric]

Hope thjs works

If possible, please supply a higher resolution picture as it is not possible to see the fine detail which will be necessary to identify what is present. This is important because the toothed border looks worn suggesting a low grade coin which make positive identification problematical.

Have to go to the farm for some eggs, now, but will do a complete scan, higher definition, later.

Here we go.

[Guest Guest]

Hope thjs works

If possible, please supply a higher resolution picture as it is not possible to see the fine detail which will be necessary to identify what is present. This is important because the toothed border looks worn suggesting a low grade coin which make positive identification problematical.

Have to go to the farm for some eggs, now, but will do a complete scan, higher definition, later.

Here we go.

That looks like a blocked die because there is a trace of the missing serif sticking out .

[Rob]

Sorry, that was me.

[Guest eric]

Thanks, Rob. As you pointed out earlier, the coin is low grade, fine at best, and although I'm a not too hot at grading, I don't normally keep anything as poor as this. I picked it up because I thought it was interesting. Possibly, someone may come along with a little more information.