IS THERE A CERTIFICATION COMPANY BASE IN EUROPE

[josie 8]

We like it or not slab and unslab exist, art and profit, like 2 side of the coin split but one,If they will going to put up the company make sure that there are expert for, i do not know if there are european expert employed in the grading service in the USA, for also collector around the world collect slab and un slab coin, if USA are more in grading, Why does there Goverment have a bill or law to return coins from there country of origin which european coin are old and worn not good grade,

YES the old coin is lower grade but who is the expert grading them american or european, about 1900 century all the secret, variety and error of europe while there out there and still not worn they can catch up also the coin in circulatoin the pound and the euro for better grade, since the expert are all base here and all the coins are struck in europe it is better to study them for the source is here

Where are you exactly?

HERE IN GREYSTONES COUNTY WICKLOW IRELAND STILL PART OF EUROPE

[josie 8]

WHO ARE THE AUTHORITY IN COINAGE THE SLABBER OR THE COLLECTOR AND THIER ORGANIZATION

WHO WILL VERIFY THE NEW FIND

WHO WILL CHANNEL THE NEW INFORMATION

THUS THEY WILL MEET HALFWAY

WHO HAVE THE GENERAL DATABASE FOR THE RECORDE AND UNRECORDED COINAGE

THUS THERE ARE ALL EXPERT AND FAIR IN THEIR JUDGEMENT I AM LOOKING FOR THE HEIRARCHY OF COINAGE FOR USA IS WIDE NOW WHO HOLDS EUROPE

[Rob 3,152]

WHO ARE THE AUTHORITY IN COINAGE THE SLABBER OR THE COLLECTOR AND THIER ORGANIZATION

Definitely not the grading company. In the case of British coins, their expertise and knowledge is limited to the long established reference books such as Peck and Freeman. It is highly unlikely they will acknowledge a new variety as they are also ensuring they are credible by only using these recognised sources. A long established dealer or experienced collector has far greater clout if they have established credentials in a particular area.

WHO WILL VERIFY THE NEW FIND

WHO WILL CHANNEL THE NEW INFORMATION

WHO HAVE THE GENERAL DATABASE FOR THE RECORDE AND UNRECORDED COINAGE

There is no one official database, so all information has to be recorded piecemeal, such as in the unrecorded varieties section of this forum. Spink is the closest you will come to a standard reference in the UK and they will record new varieties from time to time based on whether an example has passed through their saleroom or a serious collector has submitted unambiguous varieties for their approval. Whilst not perfect, it does give some recognition whilst allowing the more fanciful wished for errors to be excluded. Too many "error" varieties are based on low grade examples which given the amount of abuse the coin has suffered may or may not be real.

[josie 8]

WHO ARE THE AUTHORITY IN COINAGE THE SLABBER OR THE COLLECTOR AND THIER ORGANIZATION

Definitely not the grading company. In the case of British coins, their expertise and knowledge is limited to the long established reference books such as Peck and Freeman. It is highly unlikely they will acknowledge a new variety as they are also ensuring they are credible by only using these recognised sources. A long established dealer or experienced collector has far greater clout if they have established credentials in a particular area.

WHO WILL VERIFY THE NEW FIND

WHO WILL CHANNEL THE NEW INFORMATION

WHO HAVE THE GENERAL DATABASE FOR THE RECORDE AND UNRECORDED COINAGE

There is no one official database, so all information has to be recorded piecemeal, such as in the unrecorded varieties section of this forum. Spink is the closest you will come to a standard reference in the UK and they will record new varieties from time to time based on whether an example has passed through their saleroom or a serious collector has submitted unambiguous varieties for their approval. Whilst not perfect, it does give some recognition whilst allowing the more fanciful wished for errors to be excluded. Too many "error" varieties are based on low grade examples which given the amount of abuse the coin has suffered may or may not be real.

when is the time that one will exist as i said there are collectors who collect british coin, well low grade or not it is recorded but better in good condition to study the detail, if a collector around the world have a querry where are the expert they can ask, gladly I found this site,

As I said it is good have verified and comfimed section of this forum, but those that are being confirmed and verified goes to the book upto the world standard catalog for next year, for that one year is there medium to inform collector dealers and numismatic to tell them that they have a new find to check for thier collection to search for new specimen in good detail,

May it is better that thier is a base where they can ask an expert an authority in british coinage to confirm they findings, If a slabbing companies employs british expert to verify a coin that are expert in thier own field and collection or series of coin, thus this is more better than non at all. a one stop website

[Rob 3,152]

Josie, the first thing to remember is that we are a collecting fraternity doing this for a hobby. There is not the same need for quality control that you would need as a manufacturer. The publication of a standard reference for new varieties or an overseeing body would need to be funded as an ongoing business as it is clearly a full time job keeping up to date the records of unrecorded pieces. This would only happen if someone could make a living doing so and who would pay the subscription fees to such an organisation? To do this on a commercial basis with just one employee would cost between £50-100K per annum plus the cost of publishing an annually updated list.

[josie 8]

THANK YOU TO ALL, Who reply and vote in the poll,I stay here, for this site have info on british coin, and show coins and variety I didnt see, or that I have no books or reference or hard time finding info in other website.Hope to see new find in this forum to be included in next year world catalog.

[Chris Perkins 228]

Some of the new varieties listed here are certainly appearing in Collectors' Coins GB 2007. I suspect it'll take more time and effort to get them into other books.

I've also promoted the forum in the forthcoming CCGB2007, so hopefully people will see this forum and bring more to light.

[josie 8]

Some of the new varieties listed here are certainly appearing in Collectors' Coins GB 2007. I suspect it'll take more time and effort to get them into other books.

I've also promoted the forum in the forthcoming CCGB2007, so hopefully people will see this forum and bring more to light.

YOU LEAD THE WAY..... ADVANCE AND REGONIZE UPTO GLOBAL COLLECTING, THANK YOU AGAIN.

[TomGoodheart 403]

Well, thank you josie for introducing a topic of obvious interest to all us regulars here!

It seems to me that there are no firm answers here, because each of our views is influenced by what we collect and why we collect it. The 'bottom line' is that collecting habits in the US, where Certification/Slabbing originated, are different from here.

There are clearly benefits to C/S, or it wouldn't exist. Similarly population reports etc. But they don't necessarily suit every type of coin or collector. But then if we all collected the same thing and all wanted slabbed (or raw) coins I think it'd be kinda boring! And if you could pay £50 and receive a list of every single variety of George III halfpenny in existence with the number of each variety known to exist would it make collecting them more or less interesting..?

[Rob 3,152]

And if you could pay £50 and receive a list of every single variety of George III halfpenny in existence with the number of each variety known to exist would it make collecting them more or less interesting..?

No less or more interesting, but I would be wiser. Anyway, why would I charge myself £50?

[Gary D 76]

[Chris Perkins 228]

It isn't, but she lives there now apparently.

[TomGoodheart 403]

More evidence that Chris knows everything!

Kinda creepy no?

[Chris Perkins 228]

I like to make sure that I know my forum members as well as possible! Especially true with that rare specimen, the female forum member

[Guest Guest]

I like to make sure that I know my forum members as well as possible! Especially true with that rare specimen, the female forum member

sometimes im loss during the discussion, the topic sometimes interest me a lot ,having problem what Im going to type in the computer and what is in my mind, Trying my best to answer the question, well it is more like a debate, By the way Im a man just have femine name,

[josie 8]

I like to make sure that I know my forum members as well as possible! Especially true with that rare specimen, the female forum member

sometimes im loss during the discussion, the topic sometimes interest me a lot ,having problem what Im going to type in the computer and what is in my mind, Trying my best to answer the question, well it is more like a debate, By the way Im a man just have femine name,

[TomGoodheart 403]

Hmm... yes. I remember Elizabeth, er someone interested in hammered sixpnces (Mitsuko?) and the few one-off posters asking what their coin was.

Do we have BO or something?

[josie 8]

I dont know if it is rare for i have 2, Bougth lot of coins in carbooth here in ireland, well i do buy coins in coinshop in dublin by piece, almost same condition in carbooth by they have coins upto 80 euro a piece 1940 ireland penny, i cannot afford that, I bought the lowest in there shop to fill the hole in this series,the 1908 the specimen exist it migth exist in other place especially in UK where it originated, hoping that other may know or verified for it is worn other may have better example, to study especially the detail and the edge

[Guest Guest_Gary D_I'm_a_Guest]

1908 Penny mintage

Obv. A I of IND to bead; I of IMP to gap, Rev. c E of PENNY to bead 1-2 million

Obv. A I of IND to bead; I of IMP to gap, Rev. d E of PENNY to gap Unlisted

Obv. B I of IND to gap; (BRITT) : to bead, Rev. c E of PENNY to bead 50,000-100,000

Obv. B I of IND to gap; (BRITT) : to bead, Rev. d E of PENNY to gap Unlisted

Obv. C I of IND to bead; I of IMP to bead, Rev. c E of PENNY to bead 3-5 million

Obv. C I of IND to bead; I of IMP to bead, Rev. d E of PENNY to gap 25-30 million

I hope this answers your question about the rarity of the 1908 penny

[josie 8]

1908 Penny mintage

Obv. A I of IND to bead; I of IMP to gap, Rev. c E of PENNY to bead 1-2 million

Obv. A I of IND to bead; I of IMP to gap, Rev. d E of PENNY to gap Unlisted

Obv. B I of IND to gap; (BRITT) : to bead, Rev. c E of PENNY to bead 50,000-100,000

Obv. B I of IND to gap; (BRITT) : to bead, Rev. d E of PENNY to gap Unlisted

Obv. C I of IND to bead; I of IMP to bead, Rev. c E of PENNY to bead 3-5 million

Obv. C I of IND to bead; I of IMP to bead, Rev. d E of PENNY to gap 25-30 million

I hope this answers your question about the rarity of the 1908 penny

since i have 2 not verified I give one to the british museum, It is up to the authority to verify wheather it is forge or not, been there in your museum take picture inside and out including outside coincraft shy to take picture inside the shop lots of stuff in there, that figure you show, thus this interest THE world collectoer if it is included in world catalog

[josie 8]

SO THIS SPECIMEN IS NOT RARE?

[Sylvester 15]

I don't know if i'm even follow this conversation correctly, but Josie when you talk about 'secret types' i presume you are talking about all the minor varieties (like the 1908 above?) And why they're not listed in the catalogues?

Well that all depends upon which catalogue you're referring to. General guides and specialist guides vary in their approach. Some collectors are nuts about minor varieties, other collectors couldn't care.

Something like the Krause book of world coins is a general guide of 'all' world coins in whatever century the particular volume is covering. This is clearly a general work that is trying to cover the main 'major' coins of each country. There is obviously a limit to what they can record, why record all the minor varieties? How many extra pages would it require, who's going to use it and how much is it going to cost Krause to publish it and how much for the collectors to buy? The 20th century Krause is a monster volume in itself, and there's alot of stuff missing out of it!

Then we move to say Spinks coins of England which is still a general all-purpose work but more specialised than Krause as it only covers England, but it still goes from BCE to present, which is a long period of time.

Then we have Chris' books, which are even more focused, the late milled one on British coins for instance covers the period from c.1797 to present, much more focused and thus you can go into more detail. That said though this is still a general all purpose coin catalogue, not a specialist work.

If you want to find the secrets of British coinage, it would depend upon where your interest lies. If you are big into copper of bronze then you need the books by Peck or Freeman. These deal souly with a very, very narrow field of coins but they go into extreme detail. Detail that someone like me who is not into copper or bronze would never need when trying to price up a Victorian penny.

If hammered was your thing then you'd need the North catalogue (which isn't exactly user friendly!) but it goes into much more detail than Spink does.

The difference is Krause/Spink/Chris' books are generally 'price guides' rather than reference works. Coincraft likewise is more a price guide than a reference work, although there is alot of interesting aside texts delving into the backgrounds of the coins themselves, which makes it kinda both. Works like Freeman, Peck, North etc. are proper reference books. The main aim of the book is not about being able to price a coin up accurately, but about learning how to identify a coin to a type and to know all minor types and all the history that goes with the coins.

[josie 8]

THAK YOU slyvester, with gary figure and your explanation I understand now more clearly

[Sylvester 15]

THAK YOU slyvester, with gary figure and your explanation I understand now more clearly

Not a problem Josie! It's what we're here for, any questions or problems just ask us. I'm not promising we'll know all the answers because we don't, but as the members here have a wide variety of interests in different areas there's a good chance we might be able to help.

And we were all beginners once upon a time!