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[Geordie582 18]

I've asked this before, but I make no apology for doing it again!

Has anyone any ideas? (I've tried Mereaux, but I'm not convinced)

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Bronze Thin flan scyphate "Cup" Coin. 17mm x 16mm

Crude head facing with Roman style armour? Possibly holding some sort of weapon. Looks very similar style to the Stephen silver penny on the cover of March 04 issue of Trenerry.

Patriarchal Cross similar to that seen on Viking coins of England (i.e. S993/998 q.v.) Possible pellets below & above. Other marks too worn to decipher.

Found:-Among a lot of uncleaned Roman metal detector finds purchased on E-bay. Well encrusted and possibly adhering to another coin.

Thoughts:- It may be a ‘touch piece’ or souvenir picked up by a much travelled Roman soldier before being posted to England

It has been suggested that it is a " Mereaux" or church token from Lorraine, but these are usually of lead and circular.

I've posted this on Coin People as well - you never know!

[josie 8]

Thats new a sourvenier or a touch piece for soldier,

I think the soldiers in infamous death march in PHIL. have one coin for each soldier.

If it is true dont know where they got this belief carrying coin in battle, inline to the article of the coin of the dead in coinlink, a coin for dead man walking just a speculation.

[Geordie582 18]

Thanks Josie! I did know about the Roman soldiers carrying a coin, but it was to pay the boatman to carry them across the river Styx when they were killed. Otherwise they would be left in limbo

[Gary D 76]

Thats new a sourvenier or a touch piece for soldier,

I think the soldiers in infamous death march in PHIL. have one coin for each soldier.

If it is true dont know where they got this belief carrying coin in battle, inline to the article of the coin of the dead in coinlink, a coin for dead man walking just a speculation.

An interesting story about the coin. My understanding of events during the death march were that the prisoners were systematically robbed of any possessions and if any Japanesse articals such as occupational currency were found on them they were executed on the spot. I keep meaning to look more into the history of the event after I first saw a sign marking the route of the march outside the church where I was married comming up to 11 years ago.

[Teg 0]

Does this help -- not really my area!

Coins: Corinth Excavations, 1977, Forum Southwest, by Joan E. Fisher

Hesperia © 1984

Teg

[Geordie582 18]

Interestingly I have a small collection of Byzantine/Greek coins, including Manuel, Justinian I, & Theodore I that show signs of irregular shape. The closest is this Theodore I. But the lack of an attempt to include even crude lettering has diverted my thinking from this era.

I'll add this here in case the mis-posted entry in 'Free for All' is eventually wiped!

For the record, I've sent a picture to the British Museum with no response, also to the Coin New's 'Coin Clinic', but they haven't got around to it yet. So here's what I'm claiming.

This is a commemorative issue Mark of King Arthur (465-505) to celebrate the victory at the seige of Mount Badon (c.496). There is no name on the coin because the portrait was deemed to be instantly recognisable

That is until someone disproves it

(Nice to have the only example known! )

[josie 8]

To gary

I saw an article written about death march, soldier and history, and coin but now I cant access the page even the link in CC I paste.www.qinteraction.com/filam/history.htm you may be right gary and I am wrong ten of thousands of filipino and american soldiers, to have a coin in thier pocket is like japanese dug up a mine of silver,but saw a documentary that a fall of bataan and corrigidor have stock pile of foods could last for several months but the higher authority ratio their men in meger ration.I dont know why I cant access the site you could try by search engine and the link maybe it is my computer or the story on the article itself,FILAM coins is a bargain thou a bitter history for both nation especially in USA considering it is under USA just guessing again on psyche of american, I can be wrong, seldom made a film about if you loss mostly winner film but one film is made I think base on austarlia. about death march.

To geordie the article I saw in coinlink was reliving a coin of dead nation a featured coin was one of african nation, have many side but not round,I am wrong on my input sorry.

But thanks to teg and geordie for posting an article and picture now I know octagon coin is used in the past.and still using it now.

but dont know who first made it and what is the first metal was used.and why 8 side and not round.

[Guest Guest]

Interestingly I have a small collection of Byzantine/Greek coins, including Manuel, Justinian I, & Theodore I that show signs of irregular shape. The closest is this Theodore I. But the lack of an attempt to include even crude lettering has diverted my thinking from this era.

I'll add this here in case the mis-posted entry in 'Free for All' is eventually wiped!

For the record, I've sent a picture to the British Museum with no response, also to the Coin New's 'Coin Clinic', but they haven't got around to it yet. So here's what I'm claiming.

This is a commemorative issue Mark of King Arthur (465-505) to celebrate the victory at the seige of Mount Badon (c.496). There is no name on the coin because the portrait was deemed to be instantly recognisable

That is until someone disproves it

(Nice to have the only example known! )

One piece of confussion about this coin is what looks like a cross being carrier, unless its a sword of cause, and the date range you quote. If it is a cross that would date it to probably later than 600 as christianity didn't arrive in Lindesfarne until 635 and the counrty as a whole until by 850.

Josie, When I was on Corrigedor earlier this year the guide talked about the coinage found there. There was a large quauntity of low denomination silver which had been moved there prior to the Japanesse invasion although anything of real value had been moved away for safe keeping by the Americans. I did buy myself a nice 1907 1 peso ( size of an American dollar) as a sovenier of the trip. As an aside, a large proportion of the foriegn soldiers in the death march were Austrialian, the whole lot very much out numbered by Filipinos who recieved far worse treatment than any of the rest.

[Geordie582 18]

My claim is tongue-in-cheek of course!

[josie 8]

Nice coin.

The sign its like an ogham letter of O http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham#Alphabe..._Beith-Luis-Nin ,I dont know the evulotion of letter O in gaelic or ogham or the meaning of it in those languages.

Sorry I think Ive found what is the meaning of O in Ogham.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onn

Maybe to travel in horse or water with spear to live or settle.

Maybe to travel by land by horse or water to joined even by used of spear to live or settle with the red.

Maybe the old great head or leader to travel by land by horse or water to joined even to used spear to live or settle with the red.

Edited August 16, 2009 by josie

[josie 8]

Interestingly I have a small collection of Byzantine/Greek coins, including Manuel, Justinian I, & Theodore I that show signs of irregular shape. The closest is this Theodore I. But the lack of an attempt to include even crude lettering has diverted my thinking from this era.

I'll add this here in case the mis-posted entry in 'Free for All' is eventually wiped!

For the record, I've sent a picture to the British Museum with no response, also to the Coin New's 'Coin Clinic', but they haven't got around to it yet. So here's what I'm claiming.

This is a commemorative issue Mark of King Arthur (465-505) to celebrate the victory at the seige of Mount Badon (c.496). There is no name on the coin because the portrait was deemed to be instantly recognisable

That is until someone disproves it

(Nice to have the only example known! )

Seen a cuniform icon in wikipedia.

Since the cross is above the head maybe its death.

A fair great leader aged by mistake hit by piece of metall in the land of the red suffer till end by the wound till the end of his breath elbow fold.

Maybe it is a commemeration to the success and untimely death of a fair great leader.

For future ref.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Badon

Edited August 17, 2009 by josie

[Peckris 579]

Does this help -- not really my area!

Coins: Corinth Excavations, 1977, Forum Southwest, by Joan E. Fisher

Hesperia © 1984

Teg

OMG - Joan E Fisher .... could this be Joan E Allen of Coin-Monthly-adverts-late-60s fame, and married to a Mr Fisher by 1977 ??