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[Peckris 579]

Lucido has finally lost it!

Victoria Penny in EF 291307099653

There are a few nice EFs up for grabs

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coin-Victorian-Penny-Young-Head-EF-1855-/381048592159

Most of the grading seems to be by consensus rather than by any analysis of the coin's wear which is why the EFs end up as UNCs and the VFs as EFs. But I can't grade for toffee so... I propose a new two-tier grading system.

I was just reading some of his feedback though and I feel sorry for him actually, assuming his responses are honest as it would appear that other sellers are trying to discredit him on false grounds.

From the same seller…….

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coin-Penny-Full-Lustre-1916-George-V-/381072204148?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item58b9ac6174

Be fair - he does say the coin's condition is 'Good'. I'm not going to argue with him

[Michael-Roo 781]

Lucido has finally lost it!

Victoria Penny in EF 291307099653

There are a few nice EFs up for grabs

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coin-Victorian-Penny-Young-Head-EF-1855-/381048592159

Most of the grading seems to be by consensus rather than by any analysis of the coin's wear which is why the EFs end up as UNCs and the VFs as EFs. But I can't grade for toffee so... I propose a new two-tier grading system.

I was just reading some of his feedback though and I feel sorry for him actually, assuming his responses are honest as it would appear that other sellers are trying to discredit him on false grounds.

From the same seller…….

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coin-Penny-Full-Lustre-1916-George-V-/381072204148?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item58b9ac6174

Be fair - he does say the coin's condition is 'Good'. I'm not going to argue with him

Also 'impressive' and having 'full lustre' .

[damian1986 142]

A couple of auctions that just came to an end on eBay...

1950 proof 1/2d nFDC = £1.46 with free postage

1915 half mark (silver) AU = £0.99 with free postage

Not sure what I was expecting. Not as good as the BINs hence took the risk. The only reason I'm not hanging onto them is because I want my collection to be less random and a bit more focused, fewer pieces that I will appreciate more than a quantity of coins. I figure someone else will get more out of them than me now, different goals and appreciation. I was just hoping I wouldn't have to actually pay to move them on

[scott 144]

just send em to me and save the hassle

[azda 979]

A couple of thrupenny bits up for sale

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[numismatist 2]

Did Cromwell get shot through the neck ?

see Ebay 111538488098 ukcoinage

looks like a massive plug in his neck, I bet it hurt ?

" some marks top of shield on rev " more like some " massive reconstruction "

Edited December 16, 2014 by numismatist

[Coinery 1,147]

Close!

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[TomGoodheart 400]

Close!

191452716852

Well, ... it's silver, like a halfcrown. And only 100 or so years out on the reign. As to the denomination ... well, that's hardly important is it?

[Paulus 1,975]

Certainly doesn't even get to light someone else's cigar for that effort at attribution!

Zero feedback so new seller (?), although name sounds very similar to eBay regular 'sellingmyentirecollection'!

Maybe he did a 'sell similar' and forgot to change anything ... or he things Liz had a beard!

link

Edited December 21, 2014 by Paulus

[damian1986 142]

Did Cromwell get shot through the neck ?

see Ebay 111538488098 ukcoinage

looks like a massive plug in his neck, I bet it hurt ?

" some marks top of shield on rev " more like some " massive reconstruction "

Hmmm. Just wondering what you lot think this is actually worth? For me this is only fine, and then you have to factor in the JCB work. Don't see anywhere near 4 figures.

Actually on this note, what is it with the Cromwell shillings, halfcrowns and crowns? There's loads of 'em knocking about and always 3, 4, 5, 6 grand...

[Rob 3,152]

Choice Cromwells are not so easy, whatever the denomination. Given the availability of less than perfect examples, it is a case of supply and demand, which remains unsated. Cromwell is an historically important figure, every crown, halfcrown or shilling collection will have an example, as would a collection with a representative example of each reign or period. It ticks a lot of boxes and adds variety to a collection as it doesn't have a conventional design or legend.

In the case of the example in question, it would probably be worth more with the plug carefully removed.

[damian1986 142]

Choice Cromwells are not so easy, whatever the denomination. Given the availability of less than perfect examples, it is a case of supply and demand, which remains unsated. Cromwell is an historically important figure, every crown, halfcrown or shilling collection will have an example, as would a collection with a representative example of each reign or period. It ticks a lot of boxes and adds variety to a collection as it doesn't have a conventional design or legend.

In the case of the example in question, it would probably be worth more with the plug carefully removed.

Thanks Rob. Naturally I'm just being bitter because I want one

[Rob 3,152]

There's nothing stopping you buying one. Prices change over the years, which is something we all have to live with. Prior to when I bought mine in the Andrew Wayne sale, the going rate for a nice one was 1500-2K. I ended up paying just over 2100 all in. some thought that was crazy as only a couple years previously you could pick them up for 1500 tops. Nobody is saying it was silly now as it would likely sell for double what I paid, just as hindsight has shown many similar 'excessive' purchases a decade ago to be quite a good deal.

This goes for a few other memorable pieces such as the 1966 Foley pattern five pounds. When Mark Rasmussen sold the Barr collection in 2004-6, his was listed at £200. The one in London Coins last sale went for over £4K. I don't think anyone would complain at that more than 20-fold return, but might baulk at paying such an increase without a great deal of thought. That it is a private pattern rather than a Royal Mint one is irrrelevant if thatis what the market wants to pay. Whilst that example may be relatively excessive, most hammered gold has undergone a threefold or so increase in the past 10-15 years, whilst the cheaper end of the market has gone up by a larger percentage for choice pieces, being more generally affordable.

[TomGoodheart 400]

Actually on this note, what is it with the Cromwell shillings, halfcrowns and crowns? There's loads of 'em knocking about and always 3, 4, 5, 6 grand...

Same with Newark siege pieces from the Civil War period. There's no way they could be considered rare, but they tick a lot of different boxes so the demand is always high.

[VickySilver 830]

That Foley pattern result is just fine for the buyer and seller IMO. Find each some more junk to buy and sell. If a Royal Mint product, I would have been in the fight - this piece was meaningless and certainly no better than a Hearn pattern crown. The execution of the reverse absolutely awful so no points for artistic merit. At least the Patina pieces were (some of them anyway) more pleasant products...

[damian1986 142]

There's nothing stopping you buying one. Prices change over the years, which is something we all have to live with. Prior to when I bought mine in the Andrew Wayne sale, the going rate for a nice one was 1500-2K. I ended up paying just over 2100 all in. some thought that was crazy as only a couple years previously you could pick them up for 1500 tops. Nobody is saying it was silly now as it would likely sell for double what I paid, just as hindsight has shown many similar 'excessive' purchases a decade ago to be quite a good deal.

This goes for a few other memorable pieces such as the 1966 Foley pattern five pounds. When Mark Rasmussen sold the Barr collection in 2004-6, his was listed at £200. The one in London Coins last sale went for over £4K. I don't think anyone would complain at that more than 20-fold return, but might baulk at paying such an increase without a great deal of thought. That it is a private pattern rather than a Royal Mint one is irrrelevant if thatis what the market wants to pay. Whilst that example may be relatively excessive, most hammered gold has undergone a threefold or so increase in the past 10-15 years, whilst the cheaper end of the market has gone up by a larger percentage for choice pieces, being more generally affordable.

Funds! To be honest that prices have only doubled in 10 years makes the prospect of buying at the top end of the market not overly daunting. The jump in prices from F to EF isn't all that huge so I don't see any value in buying a lower grade piece. The above shilling, and another currently on eBay, which is VFish at £2,750, are not even half-tempting buys - the size of the hole burned in the pocket will be smaller but the rewards disproportionately less. A VF with eye appeal at closer the 1000 mark would give me cause to think but as it is I'll happily wait.

I can see why the Foley pattern would be desirable to crown collectors but don't understand how it's shot up so much. Was the Wyonin crown of 1910 (ESC382+) a Royal Mint or private pattern, because that one seems to have been consistently sought after / expensive?

I do wonder with the common gold pieces whether the equivalent expenditure in silver offers more value.

Richard yes the other one that I was thinking of is the gothic crown.

[VickySilver 830]

Uh, I am a STRONG crown collector of 20th C. predecimal and wouldn't touch that Foley above 200 pounds max. The Wyon crowns of 1910 private, but were nicely (IMO) redone in the Patina series at quite a discount and in gold as well (I got one of those for 550 quid for 40+ gms of gold).

[Coinery 1,147]

Brilliant! 'VF with original raised details' 271715533653

Is that instead of a knackered, tooled, piece of...? Leave it to your imagination! I can't believe Saxby has sold so many coins!

[azda 979]

He's rattling up a few negatives though. Hopefully more will follow. Thats a disgrace to call that coin "brilliant VF

[Coppers 58]

Brilliant! 'VF with original raised details' 271715533653

Is that instead of a knackered, tooled, piece of...? Leave it to your imagination! I can't believe Saxby has sold so many coins!

link

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271715533653?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D271715533653%26_rdc%3D1

[Peckris 579]

Brilliant! 'VF with original raised details' 271715533653

Is that instead of a knackered, tooled, piece of...? Leave it to your imagination! I can't believe Saxby has sold so many coins!

link

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271715533653?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D271715533653%26_rdc%3D1

Thanks for the link

If you enlarge the obverse, it looks like someone has punched her in the mouth and knocked out all her teeth!

[Coinery 1,147]

Brilliant! 'VF with original raised details' 271715533653

Is that instead of a knackered, tooled, piece of...? Leave it to your imagination! I can't believe Saxby has sold so many coins!

link

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271715533653?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D271715533653%26_rdc%3D1

Thanks for the link

If you enlarge the obverse, it looks like someone has punched her in the mouth and knocked out all her teeth!

And carved her a new profile/nose, and cut her a 'neat' new eye! Tis Boxing Day, after all!

[azda 979]

It would have to be April 1st for that to be VF

[nixie 0]

this exact coin was sold for around 130-140 quid about a month ago. 600 already?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1800-THIRD-GUINEA-BRITISH-GOLD-COIN-FROM-GEORGE-III-VF-/201238913803?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item2edac6230b

[Rob 3,152]

this exact coin was sold for around 130-140 quid about a month ago. 600 already?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1800-THIRD-GUINEA-BRITISH-GOLD-COIN-FROM-GEORGE-III-VF-/201238913803?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item2edac6230b

I don't think it is being shilled because it is way above what he would list it for in his trays.