Ebay's Worst Offerings

[choolie 0]

Peckris are you out there? it's been quiet for a few days on the forum. I was just wondering if you would includ Bonhams in your list of Auction houses that are ok? they have a sale coming up soon.

I was also wondering if anyone knows if there are means to test whether a coin is fake or not? Weighing and measuring to start with, sure. But is it even possible to tell beyond this?

Weight, surface detail, multiple examples with identical marks, incorrect die axis, edge quality, counterfeit references (of which there are many but people can't be bothered to read), quality of strike, sharpness of detail.

Thanks rob, well there are at least a few things to go on there.

[1949threepence 3,367]

Peckris are you out there? it's been quiet for a few days on the forum. I was just wondering if you would includ Bonhams in your list of Auction houses that are ok? they have a sale coming up soon.

I was also wondering if anyone knows if there are means to test whether a coin is fake or not? Weighing and measuring to start with, sure. But is it even possible to tell beyond this?

Weight, surface detail, multiple examples with identical marks, incorrect die axis, edge quality, counterfeit references (of which there are many but people can't be bothered to read), quality of strike, sharpness of detail.

Where are they ?

[Rob 3,152]

Peckris are you out there? it's been quiet for a few days on the forum. I was just wondering if you would includ Bonhams in your list of Auction houses that are ok? they have a sale coming up soon.

I was also wondering if anyone knows if there are means to test whether a coin is fake or not? Weighing and measuring to start with, sure. But is it even possible to tell beyond this?

Weight, surface detail, multiple examples with identical marks, incorrect die axis, edge quality, counterfeit references (of which there are many but people can't be bothered to read), quality of strike, sharpness of detail.

Where are they ?

Chris doesn't have this book, so here is a link to my site. This is an invaluable reference which covers counterfeits from all eras. It can never hope to cover every article written, but it's a very good start.

[1949threepence 3,367]

Peckris are you out there? it's been quiet for a few days on the forum. I was just wondering if you would includ Bonhams in your list of Auction houses that are ok? they have a sale coming up soon.

I was also wondering if anyone knows if there are means to test whether a coin is fake or not? Weighing and measuring to start with, sure. But is it even possible to tell beyond this?

Weight, surface detail, multiple examples with identical marks, incorrect die axis, edge quality, counterfeit references (of which there are many but people can't be bothered to read), quality of strike, sharpness of detail.

Where are they ?

Chris doesn't have this book, so here is a link to my site. This is an invaluable reference which covers counterfeits from all eras. It can never hope to cover every article written, but it's a very good start.

Many thanks Rob

[Farmer Palmer 0]

Unfortunately, not buying from China is not the end of it. There is a lot of money to be made buying this stuff and then selling it on secondhand as it were. If a guy in London buys say, a Gothic crown from China (fake obviously) at a hefty discount to the value of the real thing, keeps it for a while, and then re-lists it from his home address, there is no evidence remaining that it ever came from China and the chances of the end purchaser being able to pick it as a duffer are quite low.

Very worrying.

This is what im trying to get across , its already happening and has been for a while.The other good point made by Gary D was that the Chinese are already faking PCGS slabs.

[declanwmagee 122]

ever feel like you just get blown out of the water sometimes?

1912H Penny

mine is the £2.88 bid!

Edited April 15, 2010 by declanwmagee

[Mat 2]

Email the seller and ask if he can provide 100 of them and at what price?

They will usually reply with:

"Hello good sir,

"Yes we can tell me which coins and dates, would you like replica stamped on them or not?"

If you come straight out with the question then they will know you know they are replica straight away so they have nothing to loose in replying with the above answer...

[Peckris 579]

Email the seller and ask if he can provide 100 of them and at what price?

They will usually reply with:

"Hello good sir,

"Yes we can tell me which coins and dates, would you like replica stamped on them or not?"

If you come straight out with the question then they will know you know they are replica straight away so they have nothing to loose in replying with the above answer...

Forgive me Mat. You are probably a nice guy. You don't deserve this. But I've had enough. You're simply the straw that broke the camel's back, so once again, I do beg your forgiveness.

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LOSE LOSE LOSE!!!!! It's spelled LOSE NOT LOOSE !!!!!! (Gaaaaaaaaah, goes off to find a butt of malmsy to drown in.) EVERYWHERE, it's a damn epidemic, of people who don't know how to spell LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE !!!!!!!! Stomps off muttering.

[azda 979]

Lol, Peckris, you made me smile then, my girlfriend says the same thing, she is German though and has an excuse, i always correct her with the same word and also with SAVE instead of SAFE.

[Red Riley 2]

LOSE LOSE LOSE!!!!! It's spelled LOSE NOT LOOSE !!!!!! (Gaaaaaaaaah, goes off to find a butt of malmsy to drown in.) EVERYWHERE, it's a damn epidemic, of people who don't know how to spell LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE !!!!!!!! Stomps off muttering.

Er... can we come out yet?

Edited April 20, 2010 by Red Riley

[Red Riley 2]

Er... can we come out yet?

Of course I meant 'come out' not 'come out' if you see what I mean...

[Peckris 579]

Er... can we come out yet?

Of course I meant 'come out' not 'come out' if you see what I mean...

I'm not remotely interested in your private life, Red No homophobia here

[davidrj 194]

Hopefully this may prevent the daily recycling of junk on Ebay new Ebay rule

[Gary D 76]

Hopefully this may prevent the daily recycling of junk on Ebay new Ebay rule

Does this mean ebay has done something right for a change. Those ever rotating junk coins have added over 10,000 auctions to the average 10 day turnover. All we need to do now is get rid of all the birthday coins and coin cufflinks.

[Rob 3,152]

An automated replica and modern non-RM section might be useful for eBay to introduce so that anything which falls into this category automatically has its tree sorted. Honest people will list there and say it is a replica if they know about it, but some people list for example the modern mint output of ancient kings gold pieces in the hammered section which is unhelpful even if it is described as modern. It won't get rid of the person trying to pass off fakes as the real thing, but that is another issue which ebay has no incentive to address and won't discuss if you approach them as a private individual - presumably on the grounds of inundation. Any reduction in the number of pieces listed in the wrong section will be of value to both ebay and buyer alike.

[Peckris 579]

Hopefully this may prevent the daily recycling of junk on Ebay new Ebay rule

Hm. 100 multiplied by any number of amateur chancers, still = a whole lot of crap. I'm not hopeful this will do more than slightly dent the problem, especially when you consider those people can just create a sockpuppet and put in another free 100

[azda 979]

I wonder if he'll get his money back on this coin he bought and is now selling

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200461725886 <<<<<< the one he bought for 365 pounds

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1879-VICTORIA-YOUNG-HEAD-HALFCROWN-EXT-RARE-AU-/230468642543?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item35a90066ef <<<< and the same coin he's selling

Looks a little cleaner than before though

Edited May 3, 2010 by azda

[Leviathan 0]

I wonder if he'll get his money back on this coin he bought and is now selling

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200461725886 <<<<<< the one he bought for 365 pounds

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1879-VICTORIA-YOUNG-HEAD-HALFCROWN-EXT-RARE-AU-/230468642543?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item35a90066ef <<<< and the same coin he's selling

Looks a little cleaner than before though

The place is a feckin minefield.. G_d knows how much crap I have bought from there..

[azda 979]

Well that guy is quite a respected seller, so it seems he buys from a different name and sells on his own name, but that coin looks a little cleaner than when he bought it. How did i find this out, well, he bought 2 coins from me under his alias, his address and the alias address both were one and the same, just stumbled across it today

[declanwmagee 122]

Hopefully this may prevent the daily recycling of junk on Ebay new Ebay rule

Hm. 100 multiplied by any number of amateur chancers, still = a whole lot of crap. I'm not hopeful this will do more than slightly dent the problem, especially when you consider those people can just create a sockpuppet and put in another free 100

Judicious use of the advanced search works wonders. I maintain a blacklist of sellers excluded from search results (currently 61 names on it), and 31 text strings that stop an item appearing. Combining the two cuts the number of coins in the British section from 50-odd thousand down to 15,000 or so.

Any new sockpuppet appearing just goes on the list and is never seen again!

[Leviathan 0]

Mate, a list like that would be invaluable to ebay virgin like myself..

[Gary D 76]

I wonder if he'll get his money back on this coin he bought and is now selling

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200461725886 <<<<<< the one he bought for 365 pounds

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1879-VICTORIA-YOUNG-HEAD-HALFCROWN-EXT-RARE-AU-/230468642543?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item35a90066ef <<<< and the same coin he's selling

Looks a little cleaner than before though

The same happened to me a couple of months ago. I think it's his wife that buys and he sells. I sold a 1903 half crown in about VF which had a bit of toning. It was sniped for the reserve of £350 which was a bit of a disapointment. By the lunch time of the day he received it had been dipping and was back on ebay as EF to GEF. I saw it at £800 and didn't have the heart to see what it ended at. There have been complaints about this guy on other forums so he's not as respected as one would be led to beleive.

Gary

[azda 979]

He does get some rarities tho Gary, he has a gilt proof penny up right now. Don't agree with this dipping thing though, i'm curious if he makes any money on the one i've listed here. I bet his wife shill bids for him to.

[declanwmagee 122]

Mate, a list like that would be invaluable to ebay virgin like myself..

More than welcome to it! Of course, it's based on excluding sellers that are of no interest TO ME - they may have stuff you want, but if it would save you some time shopping, I'll PM it to you. I'd better not do it in public - there are 61 sellers on it, and that's 61 real people, some of whom might be here (but I doubt it!).

My text-string exclude list can't possibly offend, so here it is - again, this is just the stuff I personally don't collect - change it if you need to.

oh, and if you don't know where to copy and paste all this to, in eBay, let me know...

"-cufflinks -keyring -pattern -copy -holed -guernsey -201* -200* -framed -decimal -£1 -199* -jersey -cover -5p -197* -wedding -mum -churchill -reproduction -50p -£2 -198* -20p -gold -2p -sovereign -1967 -token -festival"

[Leviathan 0]

Mate, a list like that would be invaluable to ebay virgin like myself..

More than welcome to it! Of course, it's based on excluding sellers that are of no interest TO ME - they may have stuff you want, but if it would save you some time shopping, I'll PM it to you. I'd better not do it in public - there are 61 sellers on it, and that's 61 real people, some of whom might be here (but I doubt it!).

My text-string exclude list can't possibly offend, so here it is - again, this is just the stuff I personally don't collect - change it if you need to.

oh, and if you don't know where to copy and paste all this to, in eBay, let me know...

"-cufflinks -keyring -pattern -copy -holed -guernsey -201* -200* -framed -decimal -£1 -199* -jersey -cover -5p -197* -wedding -mum -churchill -reproduction -50p -£2 -198* -20p -gold -2p -sovereign -1967 -token -festival"

Not much in that I would change, and the list, via PM, would be gratefully received here.