Godless Dollars

[TomGoodheart 400]

Amongst my other 'hobbies' I frequent the 'Religion and Spirituality' section on Yahoo! Answers. (Was that the sound of a jaw hitting a desk?) Ok,it's out now. Laugh if you want.

Anyway. There has been quite a lot of 'discussion' about the fact that the recent issue of dollar coins have a) had the 'In God We Trust' removed from the front and put around the rim and b ) some have escaped the mint without the rim legend at all (hence the 'Godless' dollar).

I'm just curious if anyone (especially our friends over the pond) have any views on this.

To put this in perspective there were several horrified posts from Americans when someone mentioned that our £10 note carried a picture of (gasp!) Charles Darwin. I kid you not.

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[Colin G. 147]

Amongst my other 'hobbies' I frequent the 'Religion and Spirituality' section on Yahoo! Answers. (Was that the sound of a jaw hitting a desk?) Ok,it's out now. Laugh if you want.

Anyway. There has been quite a lot of 'discussion' about the fact that the recent issue of dollar coins have a) had the 'In God We Trust' removed from the front and put around the rim and b ) some have escaped the mint without the rim legend at all (hence the 'Godless' dollar).

I'm just curious if anyone (especially our friends over the pond) have any views on this.

To put this in perspective there were several horrified posts from Americans when someone mentioned that our £10 note carried a picture of (gasp!) Charles Darwin. I kid you not.

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Oh no Tom you have done it now We have enough arguments over coins, and discussions on religion can be even worse. But raising the topic of coins and religion in one sentence is a bridge too far!! I think I will sit on the fence and watch the opening shots before wading into this one

[TomGoodheart 400]

To be honest Colin, I'm not sure. I'm guessing there will be either a lot of comments or virtually none at all. Certainly I think us Brits are not as bothered about such things as our American cousins. We'll see!

[josie 8]

I kind of thinking this kind or sort of topic in my head.

That a coin is a art as other art expert well noted and a coin is a propaganda in the past during war times.

Is coin is just for currency use if it is its just bullion for me but the inscription and the backing up of the gorverment on the coin for a legal tender for me it somewhat reflect the goverment or its people in ones nation.

For me as long the inscription is their for me its good unless other individual suceed in doing so like an attempt in US to remove it but good enough the court dont allow it.

The one that bothering me is that why on edge is this a hype of the mint or they are just somewhat affected by it others will not easily see a inscription on the new dollar but most of them will unlikely goes to circulation and most US coin the word is on the obverse so Im okay with it.

Just recall the no edge inscription if the US govt can have a hand on it for its already,I think well placed now by the collector.

[RLC35 288]

The Washington Dollars that escaped the mint without "in God we trust" are a mint errors, that was corrected after about 50,000 Dollars were already put into circulation, by the U.S. Mint.

The first few copies that were noticed, brought $600.00 each, but the price has now stabilized at $40-$50. It definetly will be a collectore item.

Bob C.

[scottishmoney 29]

Frankly I am a hell of a lot more concerned about all the Americans(and our British friends) getting blown to smithereens in Iraq, and the billions wasted on that dung heap of a country than whether god is on the dollar coin. Next Monday morning there will be a funeral for a local man killed in Iraq last week. He leaves a 21 yr old wife and a 5 month old son.

This Washington Dollar stuff is all fluff and no consequence. The billions wasted in Iraq and the 3000+ Americans and British needlessly sacrificed is!

[josie 8]

Are we asking or questioning the 2 goverment or the people in two nation or ourselves or we are questioning someone on this things?

[RLC35 288]

I don't see the numismatic value in ScottishMoneys reply....

Bob C.

[scottishmoney 29]

I don't see the numismatic value in ScottishMoneys reply....

Bob C.

Maybe you don't, and that is okay. Right now there are nuts complaining that the US mint and the Bush administration have instigated a plot to take God off of the money, they have completely missed that the mint made the so called "Godless" coins in error, and that it was not by design. Even if they can find God on the edge, that is not good enough, because God was removed from the face of the coin.

Frankly I am with Theodore Roosevelt, God does not belong on money.

And quite frankly that is the vain with which I wrote the post above which you have taken issue with.

[josie 8]

Im still learning people who have a good position most of them in the govt. are good their are several great minds in their circle thats for me.

About the inscription I think it all started in judeo-christian as other dont like the inscription in a coin they belong to other pre judeo-christian.

Marjority rules minority rights.

It just depends on what are their belief among others.

Is other things in one nation is in questioned?

For me as long the inscription is their for me its good unless other individual suceed in doing so like an attempt in US to remove it but good enough the court dont allow it.

The one that bothering me is that why on edge is this a hype of the mint or they are just somewhat affected by it others will not easily see a inscription on the new dollar but most of them will unlikely goes to circulation and most US coin the word is on the obverse so Im okay with it.

Gods own all things for me its better if His name on it, as for others didnt know should have known and they will have no reason or excuse that they dont know when the time comes.

[scottishmoney 29]

Actually Theodore Roosevelt was a very religious individual, and as such, he believed that the Deity was lessened by having "God" on money. There is an old saying, "Money is the root of all evil". When the first St. Gaudens $20 pieces were released in 1907, they did NOT have "In God We Trust" on them, and this is largely believed to be because of TR's intercession with the designer of the coins, Augustus St. Gaudens. However the public as a whole objected, and the motto was later placed on the coins.

It is a curious irony that atheists and the religious can both object to the placement of the motto "In God We Trust" on coins, but they do, albeit for differing reasons.

[Red Riley 2]

If I can quote from the bible, I seem to recall Christ saying (apparently of a Tiberius denarius) 'render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God, what is God's'. So Christ is on the side of the poor sod at the mint that forgot to put the collar with the dollar dies. Perhaps it is some kind of divine intervention but I doubt his employers see it that way.

It's an interesting argument to have with a bunch of bible-belt loonies. Watch the shotgun though.

[josie 8]

The RIGHT LOVE SCOTT, NOT THE EXCESS LOVE OF MONEY.

And how you are going to spend it and how did you earn it.

Yes they can do anything about the motto lucky enough its in the mandate of US or in its constitution if Im not mistaken.

In the past people are killed on speaking GOD but today even it is on the coin they are still alive thanks for them.

For me RED you pay your obligation your tax to the roman govt, for GOD I must admit still searching but do things that is good one of them that their are nations who believe in GOD if they lost the inscription whats next is their faith is in question as always since in the past for the proof is their action I mean everytime they go to war as it is not popular in US,citizens strickly opposed going to war ,

one of their action is they inscribe it in the coin, the other if questionable if they go to war or other things, they have already inscribe the word in the coin at least they did one good thing, for me or just my opinion.

Edited March 9, 2007 by josie

[RLC35 288]

Josie, You are right...it is the law of our land to have "in God we trust" on our money. There's an old saying that goes with it...in God we trust, all other cash!

As for our President having anything to do with it, he doesn't, but since he is a Christian, I am sure he goes along with it.

As for the war, thank goodness for the First Marines, and the Black Watch, they served together in Korea, and also Iraq.

Bob C.

[josie 8]

Thanks RCL

Their are persons in the govt. that are preveliege those are in the position like police or soldier etc.

It is also written in the book to abide to the govt.both following the teaching in the book and giving what is to ceazar.

Edited March 9, 2007 by josie

[Geordie582 18]

Godless dollars - storm & teacup come to mind. It should be remembered that not all people spending money have the slightest inerest in what's on the coinage, just what it will buy!

As for The middle eastern fracas, while researching my ancestry i came across a photo of my uncle Norman. Nothing unusual in that but he was in uniform and outside a tent - in Afghanistan. Nothing changes! I forgot to add - this was in 1930!

Edited March 9, 2007 by Geordie582

[scottishmoney 29]

As for The middle eastern fracas, while researching my ancestry i came across a photo of my uncle Norman. Nothing unusual in that but he was in uniform and outside a tent - in Afghanistan. Nothing changes! I forgot to add - this was in 1930!

I am sure that peacekeepers in some sense will be there in 2070 also. And curiously enough the King of Afghanistan back then is still around today and a minor player in the current political situation. I doubt he will be around in 70 years though.

[josie 8]

Godless dollars - storm & teacup come to mind. It should be remembered that not all people spending money have the slightest inerest in what's on the coinage, just what it will buy!

Yes Geordie not all but most of the people have interest for it happen in history first at GB that is the Godless Florin and now in the US the Godless dollar also the 20$ piece all of them have an affect an uproar from the public to retained the inscription not all but most of the people in both country is in favor of the inscription and they do look at it if not their is others will always look for that inscription, just an opinion.

[josie 8]

If I can quote from the bible, I seem to recall Christ saying (apparently of a Tiberius denarius) 'render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God, what is God's'. So Christ is on the side of the poor sod at the mint that forgot to put the collar with the dollar dies. Perhaps it is some kind of divine intervention but I doubt his employers see it that way.

It's an interesting argument to have with a bunch of bible-belt loonies. Watch the shotgun though.

I know it got to do with tax on that time.

Here is a very good link the moderator can edit this, but I follow this program way back in the philippines till odd hour in the morning,hope both side will not be mad at me, some info on coin also.

http://www.angdatingdaan.org/segments/seg_auth_1.htm

[scottishmoney 29]

I know it got to do with tax on that time.

Here is a very good link the moderator can edit this, but I follow this program way back in the philippines till odd hour in the morning,hope both side will not be mad at me, some info on coin also.

http://www.angdatingdaan.org/segments/seg_auth_1.htm

Why would anyone take exception to the above statement? It is from the Bible, and most of us know of it from our dreary hours whilst languishing in the forlorn Sunday School gatherings. Funny how parents made most of us in that class go, but they got to stay home.

One of those things you figure out when you are married and have kids, lets send the kiddies to Sunday school and we will pick them up when they are done

[josie 8]

I know it got to do with tax on that time.

Here is a very good link the moderator can edit this, but I follow this program way back in the philippines till odd hour in the morning,hope both side will not be mad at me, some info on coin also.

http://www.angdatingdaan.org/segments/seg_auth_1.htm

Why would anyone take exception to the above statement? It is from the Bible, and most of us know of it from our dreary hours whilst languishing in the forlorn Sunday School gatherings. Funny how parents made most of us in that class go, but they got to stay home.

One of those things you figure out when you are married and have kids, lets send the kiddies to Sunday school and we will pick them up when they are done

Much better all of them go on sunday and carry what they have everyday until sunday again.

Quite hard though to walk through a narrow path towards a narrow door. but there still many cuing.

Im still learning and searching.

[RLC35 288]

Josie, I like your way of thinking!!! Keep it up!

Bob C.