1858 Farthing

[Jamesred 1]

Seeing as we all like farthings - and I see that Colin is selling a 1858 small date on Ebay. I have looked and better looked at different pics and all my different 1858's. Colin Cooke doesnt have a pic of the large date for comparison.

Im trying to establish what this particular coin is and i feel its a;

Reverse = Number 1

Obverse = B

Am i right??

[Colin G. 147]

Seeing as we all like farthings - and I see that Colin is selling a 1858 small date on Ebay. I have looked and better looked at different pics and all my different 1858's. Colin Cooke doesnt have a pic of the large date for comparison.

Im trying to establish what this particular coin is and i feel its a;

Reverse = Number 1

Obverse = B

Am i right??

James,

That coin is the larger date variety (1A) on my site, it is amazing how noticable the difference is when you have the coin in front of you. I can e-mail you full size scans of the small date and large date coins if you want. It will enable you to see the difference.

[Hussulo 6]

James,

That coin is the larger date variety (1A) on my site, it is amazing how noticable the difference is when you have the coin in front of you. I can e-mail you full size scans of the small date and large date coins if you want. It will enable you to see the difference.

[Jamesred 1]

James,

That coin is the larger date variety (1A) on my site, it is amazing how noticable the difference is when you have the coin in front of you. I can e-mail you full size scans of the small date and large date coins if you want. It will enable you to see the difference.

[Hussulo 6]

I agree, in my opinion the second 8 on your coin is definitely closer to the 5 James.

"Is the date size issue as in height or as in spacing between beads here?"

Hopefully Colin can elaborate.

[Colin G. 147]

I agree, in my opinion the second 8 on your coin is definitely closer to the 5 James.

"Is the date size issue as in height or as in spacing between beads here?"

Hopefully Colin can elaborate.

There are a lot of varieties of the larger date, but the visual differences are not obvious. This is further complicated by the various bead sizes/positions, which makes it difficult to categorise them. I have tried to list the types that have clear visual differences to prevent me from identifying each individual die variety (although I may head down this route at some point in time, probably many moons from now!!).

I can see what you say regarding the date spacing and the fact that the 5 and 8 are closer like the Obverse D variety, and perhaps you have located the type D obverse variety prior to the repunched numeral. I have not yet come across that variety, so if you want to submit a 1200dpi scan I will get it added to the site and compare it to they Obverse D to see if it is a match

I have tried to highlight the difference on the link below and have provided full sized scans of the Obverse A and Obverse B on the second link, but it is a large file so be patient while it opens. Colin Cooke used to point to the last 8 being higher as an indication, which can be seen, but it is again not obvious.

1858 Small Date Comparison

1858 Large and Small Date - Full size scans

[Jamesred 1]

Well Bugger me!!!

Now i see the difference so clearly. I am going to send a 1200dpi scan as requested - its amazing what you can learn on here.

Colin, is this the same principle in all small date varieties or are there different ways? i.e. 1845??

Its good to have someone so knowledgeable on here.

Hope mine is a D before the repunch!! something to think about

[Colin G. 147]

Well Bugger me!!!

Now i see the difference so clearly. I am going to send a 1200dpi scan as requested - its amazing what you can learn on here.

Colin, is this the same principle in all small date varieties or are there different ways? i.e. 1845??

Its good to have someone so knowledgeable on here.

Hope mine is a D before the repunch!! something to think about

James,

Thanks for the images, the 1845 is similar, but the size difference is more obvious, except the large date is the scarcity this time. But there is also reference to a mid sized version (just to complicate things, but I have not yet had the pleasure of seeing one).

Just to give people an insight into how I make my comparisons, I have used your coin image. The reason I ask for the 1200dpi scans is that it allows me to see differences in detail that I think are noticeable, it also allows me to accurately compare date spacings etc. When comparing coins, I overlay parts of one image onto the other and then reverse the process. It is amazing how it highlights differences. My wife keeps reminding me what an anorak I am

I have overlaid your coin onto two Obverse D images and the datal figures, the WW incuse and the beads do match, which would indicate this is the Obverse D prior to its repair work!!

I have provided links to the images below.

Image 1

Image 2

I really must make an effort to get out more

[Jamesred 1]

Colin

Well, what can i say!

That is amazing work and certainly has made me rethink about teh way i look at different varieties.

I cant believe the match you have managed to get there its brilliant.

It will no doubt be a helluva help to all of us in here.

So the final verdict is that I have a D, damn need to go buy a few more 58's then

Cheers and thanks very much it is really appreciated.

[Colin G. 147]

Colin

Well, what can i say!

That is amazing work and certainly has made me rethink about teh way i look at different varieties.

I cant believe the match you have managed to get there its brilliant.

It will no doubt be a helluva help to all of us in here.

So the final verdict is that I have a D, damn need to go buy a few more 58's then

Cheers and thanks very much it is really appreciated.

Well actually yours will become Obverse H when I get around to uploading it!!!

[Jamesred 1]

Colin

Well, what can i say!

That is amazing work and certainly has made me rethink about teh way i look at different varieties.

I cant believe the match you have managed to get there its brilliant.

It will no doubt be a helluva help to all of us in here.

So the final verdict is that I have a D, damn need to go buy a few more 58's then

Cheers and thanks very much it is really appreciated.

Well actually yours will become Obverse H when I get around to uploading it!!!

Well now i need to look for an I and J obverse just to keep you busy!!

Once again though,

Cheers

[Hussulo 6]

"It will no doubt be a helluva help to all of us in here" agreed, great topic and posts.