After a Churchill Crown.

[Hussulo 6]

I know many of you will laugh, but it's not for me (honest ). What I am looking for is a Churchill crown in brilliant uncirculated condition. A friend over in the US wants one that is going to grade PCGS MS65. I guess for a type set or something. Anyway I am on the hunt to try and find him one, although it may not be as easy as it sounds.

Due to the design of the coin with its large fields it is prone to scuffs and scratches, and the fact that many people don't handle them with any care and throw them about as they are deemed invaluable.

Anyway can anyone help? (seriously)

Hus

Edited February 5, 2008 by Hussulo

[Chris Perkins 228]

I've probably got over 40, but like you say, they're usually a bit battered. Most of them came in rolls and regardless of what way around the coins were, they always seem to rub each other! I'll have a look for a really special one.

[Hussulo 6]

I've probably got over 40, but like you say, they're usually a bit battered. Most of them came in rolls and regardless of what way around the coins were, they always seem to rub each other! I'll have a look for a really special one.

Thanks Chris,

Don't ask me why he wants one but he has been kind enough to help me out with something so I am trying to help find him one.

[wemer1 0]

I know many of you will laugh, but it's not for me (honest ). What I am looking for is a Churchill crown in brilliant uncirculated condition. A friend over in the US wants one that is going to grade PCGS MS65. I guess for a type set or something. Anyway I am on the hunt to try and find him one, although it may not be as easy as it sounds.

Due to the design of the coin with its large fields it is prone to scuffs and scratches, and the fact that many people don't handle them with any care and throw them about as they are deemed invaluable.

Anyway can anyone help? (seriously)

Hus

hi i have a church hill crown 1965 in what looks to be excellent condition if your interested

[Hussulo 6]

I know many of you will laugh, but it's not for me (honest ). What I am looking for is a Churchill crown in brilliant uncirculated condition. A friend over in the US wants one that is going to grade PCGS MS65. I guess for a type set or something. Anyway I am on the hunt to try and find him one, although it may not be as easy as it sounds.

Due to the design of the coin with its large fields it is prone to scuffs and scratches, and the fact that many people don't handle them with any care and throw them about as they are deemed invaluable.

Anyway can anyone help? (seriously)

Hus

hi i have a church hill crown 1965 in what looks to be excellent condition if your interested

Hi wemer1,

Yes I am still on the hunt for one, but it needs to be truly uncirculated with no scratches, much luster and minimum (preferably no) bag marks as it needs to grade MS65. Do you have any pictures of it?

Thanks,

Hus

[Gary D 76]

I know many of you will laugh, but it's not for me (honest ). What I am looking for is a Churchill crown in brilliant uncirculated condition. A friend over in the US wants one that is going to grade PCGS MS65. I guess for a type set or something. Anyway I am on the hunt to try and find him one, although it may not be as easy as it sounds.

Due to the design of the coin with its large fields it is prone to scuffs and scratches, and the fact that many people don't handle them with any care and throw them about as they are deemed invaluable.

Anyway can anyone help? (seriously)

Hus

hi i have a church hill crown 1965 in what looks to be excellent condition if your interested

Is this what you are looking for Hus

[Hussulo 6]

[wemer1 0]

Hi heres some pics its very good condition unmarked

[wemer1 0]

another pic,let me know what you think

[Chris Perkins 228]

That'll never make MS65 with that massive deep scar on Her Maj!

[wemer1 0]

its not a scar its the way the pic has been taken, the coin is unmarked

[Chris Perkins 228]

Unless my eyes are deceiving me there is something there. What is it then?

[scottishmoney 34]

Maybe he would take all of our 1965 Crowns?

[wemer1 0]

yes sorry when iv had a very close look at coin there is a mark on it,its hardly visible to the eye but the camera certainly picked it up

[DaveG38 405]

I too want a Churchill Crown! Before you all rush to offer me yours, or send for the men in white coats, I actually want the variety which has a larger loop to the R in CHURCHILL. As far as I can judge, my one, given to me when I was a kid, is the small loop variety.

Anybody got one? I appreciate it means a tedious chore of checking through stock, so am prepared to pay a reasonable price plus postage. The two types are reported to be equally common, so it shouldn't be too hard to find. The problem I have with ebay is assessing the coin shown since the photos are often not good enough or else a stock photo is put up, in which case I can't be sure of getting the right one.

Many thanks.

DaveG38

[Chris Perkins 228]

I too want a Churchill Crown! Before you all rush to offer me yours, or send for the men in white coats, I actually want the variety which has a larger loop to the R in CHURCHILL. As far as I can judge, my one, given to me when I was a kid, is the small loop variety.

Anybody got one? I appreciate it means a tedious chore of checking through stock, so am prepared to pay a reasonable price plus postage. The two types are reported to be equally common, so it shouldn't be too hard to find. The problem I have with ebay is assessing the coin shown since the photos are often not good enough or else a stock photo is put up, in which case I can't be sure of getting the right one.

Oh you must be joking! There's not seriously a Churchill Crown variety!? Can anyone post a picture of the 2 different types, as I'd be interested to put it in Collectors' Coins GB 2009.

[DaveG38 405]

Chris,

I have never found the other one that I want (but haven't looked very hard), hence my enquiry. As I understand it, Davies reports two types equally common as numbers: 2300 and 2301. The difference is quoted as being in the thickness of the letters C and H in CHURCHILL (not sure if its the first or second or both). Michael Satzman quotes them as being small loop and large loop to the R in Churchill. I'm assuming that these are the same varieties described in different ways, and that there aren't four altogether!!

DaveG38

[Gary D 76]

I too want a Churchill Crown! Before you all rush to offer me yours, or send for the men in white coats, I actually want the variety which has a larger loop to the R in CHURCHILL. As far as I can judge, my one, given to me when I was a kid, is the small loop variety.

Anybody got one? I appreciate it means a tedious chore of checking through stock, so am prepared to pay a reasonable price plus postage. The two types are reported to be equally common, so it shouldn't be too hard to find. The problem I have with ebay is assessing the coin shown since the photos are often not good enough or else a stock photo is put up, in which case I can't be sure of getting the right one.

Oh you must be joking! There's not seriously a Churchill Crown variety!? Can anyone post a picture of the 2 different types, as I'd be interested to put it in Collectors' Coins GB 2009.

Davies quote 3 including the satin proof. He describes them as; 1A Thick formed C & H and 1B Thin formed C & H. I would dearly like to have both types but I don't even know what the one I've got is. There is also mention of a plain edge error....

And of course the one in the Royal Mint Museum which I leave the eagle eyed on this forum to spot the difference

[Chris Perkins 228]

I'd better have a look at the little pile I've got then. Usually I can't bear looking at them for too long, but this needs investigation.

[Gary D 76]

I'd better have a look at the little pile I've got then. Usually I can't bear looking at them for too long, but this needs investigation.

Surely the scrap value must exceed there monitary value buy now. Perhap some rich metals dealer will start buying them up and melting them, 19,600,00 would do for a start.

[Chris Perkins 228]

Yes, I would have thought so. They are a big chunk of 75% copper. Or even just as Cu-Ni there contain enough metal to make 3.5 fifty pees.

[Hussulo 6]

It has the designers initials ON (Oscar Nenom) below Churchill's bust near the edge. This coin was featured in one of the Coin News magazines.

Many thanks for the offer wemer but if it does have a scratch it won't make MS65.

Hus

[Chris Perkins 228]

I have about 40. I've been through them all and can tell no differences between the R, C or H's!

And I don't think any of them would make MS65. Sir Winston's manly forehead on the eyebrow and his slightly sagging cheek around the mouth area are all bashed about. Not always obvously when you look at first. And there are usually scratchs in the large fields on either side of Her Maj.

[Hussulo 6]

I have about 40. I've been through them all and can tell no differences between the R, C or H's!

And I don't think any of them would make MS65. Sir Winston's manly forehead on the eyebrow and his slightly sagging cheek around the mouth area are all bashed about. Not always obvously when you look at first. And there are usually scratchs in the large fields on either side of Her Maj.

Thanks for checking them for me Chris I appreciate it. It does seem like a bad design in the terms of getting scuffed and scratched. Arguably a bad design altogether, but never the less a challenge has been set to find a pristine one (if there are any about) and a new side challenge of finding the other variety.

Who would have thought the humble Churchill would spark such a debate.

Hus

[Gary D 76]

It has the designers initials ON (Oscar Nenom) below Churchill's bust near the edge. This coin was featured in one of the Coin News magazines.

Many thanks for the offer wemer but if it does have a scratch it won't make MS65.

Hus

Correct it's the designers initials. The coin show was a trial strike and it was decided that the designers initials detracted from the minimalism of the design so where removed before going into production if that's the correct word.

Looking at my own crown which I saved at the time of issue I think it's better than the NNC offering although I've always hoped to do better.... if I could bring myself to look.