1860 mule farthing?

[matty-2-0-0-7 0]

hi, im back again, the mule i baught wasnt a mule and am a bit more clued up now, ive got another 1860 farthing that could well be a mule, ive taken a look at colin cooke and the detail is right, right down to rock formation to left of lighthouse, i appreciate toothes can look rounded, but even at base where it meets rim? anyway, heres a few picks for your expert eyes, if it is a mule will bhe on ebay soon, 99p, no reserve.

[matty-2-0-0-7 0]

[matty-2-0-0-7 0]

on the full reverse picture, some parts of coin do look toothed, but this is just scanner angle, its pretty much same all round, the base of the beads, if you look carfully, do cureve round. the obverse is clearly toothed, the more i look the more i think ive got a genuine mule.

[matty-2-0-0-7 0]

after just readin an old descusion about about a slabbed mule, and some descrepencies with it, my 0 touches linear circle, so does cookes mule, also i counted 130 beads on reverse, about five or six more on toothed side, i think more points to it being a mule, sorry, im just getting exited, some people think im starnge to be passionate about coins,(people have an impression of elderly men) im only 32, i think all you guys are great and count me as a regular!

p.s sorry about all the posts, im a big kid really!

[RLC35 288]

Matty

You might want to look and see if it has "multiple" rocks on the left side of the Tower, instead of a single rock. That is another identifying feature.

The 130 beads is a good identifier, so that also would lead you to believe you have the real thing. It sounds like you may have got a bargain!

Bob C.

[matty-2-0-0-7 0]

Matty

You might want to look and see if it has "multiple" rocks on the left side of the Tower, instead of a single rock. That is another identifying feature.

The 130 beads is a good identifier, so that also would lead you to believe you have the real thing. It sounds like you may have got a bargain!

Bob C.

yep, three rocks, one big one then two smaller ones, you can clearly see it!, have you taken a look at my pictures?

[Chris Perkins 228]

There were half a dozen frantic posts containing different snippets of text and images about this one coin! I've deleted the useless parts and merged the important parts. You can reply to yourself in your own topics, there's no need to create a new one each time.

[matty-2-0-0-7 0]

There were half a dozen frantic posts containing different snippets of text and images about this one coin! I've deleted the useless parts and merged the important parts. You can reply to yourself in your own topics, there's no need to create a new one each time.

sorry everybody, just gettin the hang of it, thanks chris, looks much neater

[Colin G. 147]

There were half a dozen frantic posts containing different snippets of text and images about this one coin! I've deleted the useless parts and merged the important parts. You can reply to yourself in your own topics, there's no need to create a new one each time.

sorry everybody, just gettin the hang of it, thanks chris, looks much neater

Matty,

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this coin is also a toothed border farthing. The rock to the left of the lighthouse would show as 3 separate rocks, like jagged teeth, not the one solid rock that is visible. I think what you have is similar to the one that was slabbed, in that some of teeth appear as beads due to the die, but it is not a true mule (a mismatch of two dies that were never intended to be together.

[RLC35 288]

Colin,

I think you are right...it is not a TB/BB Mule. I just took a look at the reverse, and the tooths/beads are centered between the outer rim, and the inner circle. On the mule the beads are closer to the inner circle. Both Cooke's mule and my mule are that way. Still a nice farthing.

Bob C.

[matty-2-0-0-7 0]

Colin,

I think you are right...it is not a TB/BB Mule. I just took a look at the reverse, and the tooths/beads are centered between the outer rim, and the inner circle. On the mule the beads are closer to the inner circle. Both Cooke's mule and my mule are that way. Still a nice farthing.

Bob C.

yes they are, but the base of teeth/beads are rounded aswell and not touching outer rim, the reverse of coin is different than obverse, why would this be, i would of thought if it was wear both sides would wear equally?

[Red Riley 2]

Bob C.

[Colin G. 147]

Matty,

Forgive me if I sounded a bit negative, that was not my intention. You have an 1860 TB farthing, if you can get hold of a beaded border example and place them side by side the difference will become apparent. The tooth shape, is not the overriding factor. There are other features which distinguish one type from the other.

It is worth getting a beaded border example, and then I think you will see the difference quite clearly. Good luck hunting for the bargains, they are out there but I have yet to find a mule

Note the rocks to the left of the lighthouse in the above image, and the difference that would be on section.

[RLC35 288]

I hope I have attached the file right...

Here is a 1860 mule, while it is circulated, and from a worn die, it shares the same charactoristics as the Cooke example. The beading has a wider spacing between the outer rim and the beads. I have seen a lot of examples of the toothed border coins that have a similar configuration as the Matty copy, but all are clearly not a mules. I had not looked at the reverse when I made my earlier comments. I kind of got caught between all of the earlier postings, which was a little confusing. Thanks Chris for combining the posts.

The one shown is from Michael Freeman's collection.

There is also another poster...maybe Teg..who also has a copy, which is a little nicer, maybe he can post his example also.

Just my humble opinion...for what it is worth.

Bob C.

[matty-2-0-0-7 0]

I hope I have attached the file right...

Here is a 1860 mule, while it is circulated, and from a worn die, it shares the same charactoristics as the Cooke example. The beading has a wider spacing between the outer rim and the beads. I have seen a lot of examples of the toothed border coins that have a similar configuration as the Matty copy, but all are clearly not a mules. I had not looked at the reverse when I made my earlier comments. I kind of got caught between all of the earlier postings, which was a little confusing. Thanks Chris for combining the posts.

The one shown is from Michael Freeman's collection.

There is also another poster...maybe Teg..who also has a copy, which is a little nicer, maybe he can post his example also.

Just my humble opinion...for what it is worth.

Bob C.

yep, after paying close attention to picture, the rock formation is different, they have both got three rocks to the left but revolved round, and a true beaded border is more pronounced, i dont really collect farthings, my personal collection is crowns and half crowns, i buy and sell to pay for my hobbie, im not giving up, im gonna find a genuine mule oneday, watch this space anyway, thanks guys, your brilliant, watch out for me on ebay, same name, and unlike certain people on there i am honest, il be back on soon!