Irish or Scottish James (James Who?) silver coin

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Hi

Even at the risk of boring somebody, many thanks for the last answers to my questions, especially for those with the historical backgrounds. As a schoolboy I was never interested in history. Now I am, although - as some Germans would say - my interest concerns the wrong country, haha. I'm a Penny collector and numismatically I love the Victorian Copper Pennies. Historically I'm very impressed of Elizabeth I (and, to be true, of Elisabeth II), and I think, I will start another collection with this theme (E.I.) as far as I can afford this.

But now to my question: As always, I did my very best to check the coin as far as possible, before I'm asking the specialists in this forum. But this time I'm once again quite helpless. Main problem: The coin is worn.

I think the obverse (reverse?) picture could show an irish harp with a crown above. The legend on this side of the coin is hard to read. I have the idea, a fragment could be read as a "VNITA" (- Unita - from 6.00 clock to 9.00 clock). The legend on the reverse (obverse?) is better: IACOBUS D G ANG SCOT ... HIB? REX. There is a clear mintmark, but I did not try to find out, which one, not even knowing where this coin comes from. At last: It's obviously a silver coin, the diameter is about 20 to 21 cm, the weight is 23,1 grain (1,50 gramm). As always, .. grateful ....

Holger

[Stechlin 0]

As usual "the other side of the coin"

[Stechlin 0]

Hi

Even at the risk of boring somebody, many thanks for the last answers to my questions, especially for those with the historical backgrounds. As a schoolboy I was never interested in history. Now I am, although - as some Germans would say - my interest concerns the wrong country, haha. I'm a Penny collector and numismatically I love the Victorian Copper Pennies. Historically I'm very impressed of Elizabeth I (and, to be true, of Elisabeth II), and I think, I will start another collection with this theme (E.I.) as far as I can afford this.

But now to my question: As always, I did my very best to check the coin as far as possible, before I'm asking the specialists in this forum. But this time I'm once again quite helpless. Main problem: The coin is worn.

I think the obverse (reverse?) picture could show an irish harp with a crown above. The legend on this side of the coin is hard to read. I have the idea, a fragment could be read as a "VNITA" (- Unita - from 6.00 clock to 9.00 clock). The legend on the reverse (obverse?) is better: IACOBUS D G ANG SCOT ... HIB? REX. There is a clear mintmark, but I did not try to find out, which one, not even knowing where this coin comes from. At last: It's obviously a silver coin, the diameter is about 20 to 21 cm, the weight is 23,1 grain (1,50 gramm). As always, .. grateful ....

Holger

Not 20 to 21 cm, but 20 to 21 mm. Otherwise even I would have recognized this one as a forgery.

[scottishmoney 29]

This piece is a Sixpence, minted during the reign of James I(of England), from the first coinage of 1603-4, S-6514 with the first bust of James I. The mintmarks on this piece are the bell and martlet, you can see the martlet above the monarch's vignette in the legend. This piece is in fairly typical condition for this issue, as James I endeavoured to have a unified coinage in Great Britain, these coins were quickly devalued in 1613 and this particular piece was tariffed at 4 1/2 pence, instead of it's previous value of Sixpence. After the brief second coinage ca. 1607, coins minted at the Tower Mint in London were circulated in Ireland.

[Stechlin 0]

This piece is a Sixpence, minted during the reign of James I(of England), from the first coinage of 1603-4, S-6514 with the first bust of James I. The mintmarks on this piece are the bell and martlet, you can see the martlet above the monarch's vignette in the legend. This piece is in fairly typical condition for this issue, as James I endeavoured to have a unified coinage in Great Britain, these coins were quickly devalued in 1613 and this particular piece was tariffed at 4 1/2 pence, instead of it's previous value of Sixpence. After the brief second coinage ca. 1607, coins minted at the Tower Mint in London were circulated in Ireland.

Thanks a lot, great answer! But what do you mean with "S-6514"? Spink? I own the Spink from 2006, but there are only 4710 numbers.

Holger

[scottishmoney 29]

I am giving the catalogue number from the 2003 edition.

[HistoricCoinage 146]

My 2003 Spink does not go up to that...

Do you mean the Spink of the Channel Islands, Scotland etc...?

Clive.

[scottishmoney 29]

Indeed

[HistoricCoinage 146]

Indeed

Thought as much!

[scottishmoney 29]

The Scottish, Irish & Islands is the only edition I get updates on, otherwise my Spink for England/Great Britain dates to 1990. I guess I am too Scottish to lay out funds for Anglish coins references

[HistoricCoinage 146]

I guess I am too Scottish to lay out funds for Anglish coins references