1849 Penny

[Gary 7]

Hello everyone, I have not been around for a while, sort of taking a break from coin collecting. However a friend of mine has obtained an 1849 penny, rare in its self but this one has the first 1 over a lower 1. Anyone have any idea if this will up the value? or is this the norm with 1849 Pennies? The only other 1849 penny that I can find on offer is a F+ example offered by a dealer in the UK for 500 pound! This one was apparently found in a german coin shop and he paid 25 Euros for it! How about that for a find!!!!

Cheers, gary.

[Gary 7]

sorry, heres the whole coin...

[Chingford 166]

sorry, heres the whole coin...

All the examples I have examined, seem to be either 1/1 or 4/4, never both together and these seem to be as common as each other.

[Stechlin 0]

Hello everyone, I have not been around for a while, sort of taking a break from coin collecting. However a friend of mine has obtained an 1849 penny, rare in its self but this one has the first 1 over a lower 1. Anyone have any idea if this will up the value? or is this the norm with 1849 Pennies? The only other 1849 penny that I can find on offer is a F+ example offered by a dealer in the UK for 500 pound! This one was apparently found in a german coin shop and he paid 25 Euros for it! How about that for a find!!!!

Cheers, gary.

Hi Gary

I'm glad to see, that the man who introduced me in collecting Pennies, is back! (and his website too!). - I have no idea, if a 1 over 1 in 1849 is the norm, my one seems to be "regular".

[Stechlin 0]

Same coin, but hopefully a better picture

[Chingford 166]

Same coin, but hopefully a better picture

Stechlin,

Your example looks to be the 4/4, if you look at the height of the four in relation to the 9, it is slightly taller, look at the base and side of the 4 under maginification, you should see two or three base/side serifs one above another where the four has been struck to an ever increasing height.

I have attached a clearer close up for comparison.

John

[Stechlin 0]

Stechlin,

Your example looks to be the 4/4, if you look at the height of the four in relation to the 9, it is slightly taller, look at the base and side of the 4 under maginification, you should see two or three base/side serifs one above another where the four has been struck to an ever increasing height.

I have attached a clearer close up for comparison.

John

[Chris Perkins 228]

Derek (Red Riley) has another 1849 that I sold him this year. Show us your date Del if you read this.

[Gary 7]

Thanks to everyone for your answers. I take it then that it is quite a normal occurrence, the 1 over 1 and the 4 over 4 but who has more than one example to compare.....not me! Thanks again. Gary

[Gary 7]

oh yes, and a big hello to Holger. Your english is certainly getting better, keep downing those pints and it will get even better

[Red Riley 2]

Derek (Red Riley) has another 1849 that I sold him this year. Show us your date Del if you read this.

Hi Chris, haven't been on here much lately, but your post came just at the right moment. Actually it was an 1860/59 that you sold me. You had an 1849 at the same time but I believe you sold that to another well known forum member. Can't remember who it was though.

[RLC35 288]

Red, Chris,

I bought the 1849 from Chris.

I can't see any doubling of the 1 on the coin. The 4 does not have any doubling either. I have two other 1849's and neither of them have any doubling of the 1 or 4. All three of my 1949's are not better than VG-F, so if they were better coins (sharper dates), something might have shown up.

Red, when you have time, post a pic of your 1860/59, I have never seen one.

Bob C.

[Chris Perkins 228]

Sorry chaps, had my knickers in a twist!

[Bronze & Copper Collector 412]

I have an 1849 1/1 and an 1849 4/4, I do NEED a specimen of the NORMAL undoubled date, if anyone has one they are willing to part with......

[Red Riley 2]

Red, Chris,

I bought the 1849 from Chris.

I can't see any doubling of the 1 on the coin. The 4 does not have any doubling either. I have two other 1849's and neither of them have any doubling of the 1 or 4. All three of my 1949's are not better than VG-F, so if they were better coins (sharper dates), something might have shown up.

Red, when you have time, post a pic of your 1860/59, I have never seen one.

Bob C.

Hi Bob, I've been playing around trying to reduce this image ti 150kb. Hope it works now. Like most rare coins, the 1860/59 pennies are wholly unremarkable in the flesh, even the overdate being hard to see in worn condition. If this works, I might have a stab at posting an image of merely the date, but not now, it's past my bedtime.

[Red Riley 2]

Okay, here's the overdate. Not the greatest picture but I think it shows just about enough detail. Amazing how wonky the date is in close-up and how kind of unsophisticated the whole overdate process is when you look at it. Of course today, they just wouldn't have bothered.

[RLC35 288]

Red,

Thanks for the pic, I appreciate it. Do you know if there is a known quantity of the 1869/59 that was produced?

Bob C.

[Red Riley 2]

Red,

Thanks for the pic, I appreciate it. Do you know if there is a known quantity of the 1869/59 that was produced?

Bob C.

32,256 are listed in my old Coin Year Book as having been produced in 1860, which is probably just the total of copper pennies that left the mint's front door that year, some of which would not have been overdates. Even so, this is still a fairly paltry figure for a circulation coin - by contrast 120,000 pennies are listed as having been issued in 1951, always considered a very scarce date and in the 20th century generally, over 100,000,000 pennies a year was not unusual.

[Bronze & Copper Collector 412]

Here is a 60x close up of my specimen..... not in as good a condition as that shown, but the overdate within the 0 is clear....

[Bronze & Copper Collector 412]

Here are images of my 1849 1/1 and 1849 4/4, I do NEED a specimen of the NORMAL undoubled date, if anyone has one they are willing to part with......

Please contact me here and I will send you my email address.....

Thanks....