1820 George IV Half Crown

[shiela_c 0]

I am unable to confirm that the George IV Half Crown was available in 1820. What I have is a left facing bust w/ thistle crown. Reverse: House of Hanover coat of arms shield and crown above, and ANNO, the date and a rose below. I am very new at this and very laden with old coins, so I have begun the necessary work. I cannot say for certain the metal (darkened with age) however if I had to guess I would guess copper. This is either an incorrect guess, or a forgery?? Please advise. Regards, Shiela (Can provide a photo if someone takes an interest.)

[Chris Perkins 231]

I have a great aunt called Shiela C(lements). But she's 80 and not online, so I suspect this is another one!

Please post a picture Shiela. Forgeries are pretty common around that era, but silver can tone very darkly too.

In 1820 both George III and IV half crowns were made. With the 'ANNO' under the shield it does sound very much like George IV.

[shiela_c 0]

I have a great aunt called Shiela C(lements). But she's 80 and not online, so I suspect this is another one!

Please post a picture Shiela. Forgeries are pretty common around that era, but silver can tone very darkly too.

In 1820 both George III and IV half crowns were made. With the 'ANNO' under the shield it does sound very much like George IV.

I'm sorry for the delay, I was unaware my scanner was down until the other day. I have sent the front and back in seperate attachments, and posted seperately as I am having problems attaching both in the same post. I look forward to your reply.

Regards,

Shiela

Ps. Not quite 80 yet!

[shiela_c 0]

Photo 2 of 2 re: 1820 George III?

Shiela

[Chris Perkins 231]

I see what you mean. It does look a bit base-metally, and not as detailed as it could be. Can you attach a bigger picture of just the 'head' side?

[shiela_c 0]

I see what you mean. It does look a bit base-metally, and not as detailed as it could be. Can you attach a bigger picture of just the 'head' side?

I changed the dpi to 300, but do not want to go to large and cause messaging problems. It has certainly improved the coloring, hope this helps. I just noted the 150k capacity, I will give it another go. Thanks for your patience.

[shiela_c 0]

BC300dpi_rev.doc

I see what you mean. It does look a bit base-metally, and not as detailed as it could be. Can you attach a bigger picture of just the 'head' side?

I changed the dpi to 300, but do not want to go to large and cause messaging problems. It has certainly improved the coloring, hope this helps. I just noted the 150k capacity, I will give it another go. Thanks for your patience.

Here it is in a word document, I think this is more of what you had in mind.

[Chris Perkins 231]

Isn't that word doc just a blown up version of the other image? It's still not clear. It could be a real one, or a silvered base metal forgery. Usually the George III 2nd head (1817-20) are the ones that were most extensively forged. I don't think I've seen a forgery for the Geo IV 1820 coin, probably because the forgers would have carried on circulating the old type. Chances are high it's a real one but the jury is out.

[shiela_c 0]

Isn't that word doc just a blown up version of the other image? It's still not clear. It could be a real one, or a silvered base metal forgery. Usually the George III 2nd head (1817-20) are the ones that were most extensively forged. I don't think I've seen a forgery for the Geo IV 1820 coin, probably because the forgers would have carried on circulating the old type. Chances are high it's a real one but the jury is out.

The word doc is a blown up image of the rescan at 300dpi. I will try and do better. The original collector (I believe there were 2 different sources) seemed to have a passion for averse upset coins and the unusual. 3/4 of the collection is this way. Does this make forgeries more a probability or less? Thank you for the G-III info., I will see which ones we have and hope none are the 2nd head, 1817-20.

Happy Ground Hog Day! ( I cannot recall, do Britains celebrate GHD?) I used to work for Marconi and was 'up' on British holidays, but it has been a few years so I am rusty. Sincere Regard.

[Chris Perkins 231]

No we don't. We just know it from the film of the same name with Bill Murray! The Ground Hog is not a native of those isles (i'm in Germany). I'm all for having a Hedgehog Day though! Somewhere in the forum, in the non coin area is a picture of Igor, a hedgehog that we found and cared for for a few months.

Sounds like an interesting collection. Is it for sale? Recently I have purchased a collection from the USA ($800 worth). It all went very smoothly.

[shiela_c 0]

No we don't. We just know it from the film of the same name with Bill Murray! The Ground Hog is not a native of those isles (i'm in Germany). I'm all for having a Hedgehog Day though! Somewhere in the forum, in the non coin area is a picture of Igor, a hedgehog that we found and cared for for a few months.

Sounds like an interesting collection. Is it for sale? Recently I have purchased a collection from the USA ($800 worth). It all went very smoothly.

When I have a few extra minutes I will look for Igor, thank you! I am near to finalizing all I can do with this collection, as you may have guessed this is not my forte; and yet I have so truly, truly enjoyed the research! My passion is geneology in my spare time, and this search is for those very people so it has truly been special. Although we will retain some pieces for the geneology project and our children, we will be selling most of it, yes. May I contact you when this time comes?

As you say you are in germany, maybe you can help me with a coin I have been unable to locate another like and am presuming it to be german? I have attached the photo for your review. [i Pfenning Stadtmvnz 1781?]

Sincere Regard,

Shiela

[Chris Perkins 231]

I've done a bit of geneology too. Got my Perkins ancestors back to about 1750 (all in London) then it goes a bit patchy.

That little Pfenning is certainy 'in German' so is most probably German, not that Germany existed as one united nation back then. A Stadt is a town and a münz is a coin. The town is no doubt represented by the coat of arms on the other side, but I don't know which it is. Lots and lots of towns, dukedoms, principalities etc all issued there own little coins back then and it makes it all very complicated. The vast majority of the lower copper denominations are of negligble value.

Please do contact me when you are selling any coins (mainly British but I'm also not fussed about nice Europeans).

[mint_mark 10]

As you say you are in germany, maybe you can help me with a coin I have been unable to locate another like and am presuming it to be german? I have attached the photo for your review. [i Pfenning Stadtmvnz 1781?]

Sincere Regard,

Shiela

Hello,

I think I've found your coin. It looks like it is from Augsburg. I found it in the Krause catalogue of German coins, type 189. Yours looks a little different but it could be how it has worn.

The book says Augsburg was a free city until it became part of Bavaria in 1806 and the emblem on the coin is a pine cone.

[Chris Perkins 231]

My earliest Krause is the 1800-1900 one!