which paring of dyes on my 1861 penny

[scott 144]

i'm guessing its obverse 3 and reverse G combination (no signiture, thumb not touching st georges cross)

not sure on obverse, reverse i think is correct, although wear would rub out any trace of signiture you can just see the thumb on the shield of brittania and the rocks are still visable, looking at pictures.. thats the only reverse used in 1861 with the rock layout

[Bronze & Copper Collector 412]

i'm guessing its obverse 3 and reverse G combination (no signiture, thumb not touching st georges cross)

not sure on obverse, reverse i think is correct, although wear would rub out any trace of signiture you can just see the thumb on the shield of brittania and the rocks are still visable, looking at pictures.. thats the only reverse used in 1861 with the rock layout

Looks like an F-33 Obverse 6 Reverse G

[scott 144]

OK still good then, got this and a avf 1889 for about £4-5

[Peckris 579]

OK still good then, got this and a avf 1889 for about £4-5

Definitely no earlier than Obverse 6 - notice that the head is the usual bun penny distance from the linear circle; on the first 5 Freeman obverses, it sits much lower from it (one of the defining characteristics of 1860 pennies for example).

[scott 144]

yea that makes sence i guess... due to the fact the reverse dye pops up on later date pennys

[Bronze & Copper Collector 412]

OK still good then, got this and a avf 1889 for about £4-5

Definitely no earlier than Obverse 6 - notice that the head is the usual bun penny distance from the linear circle; on the first 5 Freeman obverses, it sits much lower from it (one of the defining characteristics of 1860 pennies for example).

The 1860 dated F-17 is a die pairing of 6 & D, so the obverse 6 DOES appear on 1860 dated coins....

The 1861 varieties paired with obverse 6 are reverse D (F-29), reverse F ( F-32) , and reverse G (F-33)

[scott 144]

i dont have a decent 1860 to look at really.. only one i have identified is my F-15 and thats because of the obverse...

struggling with my 1875 though

[Peckris 579]

OK still good then, got this and a avf 1889 for about £4-5

Definitely no earlier than Obverse 6 - notice that the head is the usual bun penny distance from the linear circle; on the first 5 Freeman obverses, it sits much lower from it (one of the defining characteristics of 1860 pennies for example).

The 1860 dated F-17 is a die pairing of 6 & D, so the obverse 6 DOES appear on 1860 dated coins....

The 1861 varieties paired with obverse 6 are reverse D (F-29), reverse F ( F-32) , and reverse G (F-33)

Yes I was not precise enough - certainly, up to Obverse 5 accounts for by far the vast majority of 1860s...