1901 Vicky penny in 3D

[azda 979]

Got this on Ebay, but was wondering why the bust of Victotia and Britannia stand out so much, so much so, i was like a moth to a lightbulb. The bust is like 3D. Anyone tell me why? I've added a pic of an 1899 OBV that Palves uploaded in his thread as a comparission, hope he does'nt mind

[davidrj 194]

Got this on Ebay, but was wondering why the bust of Victotia and Britannia stand out so much, so much so, i was like a moth to a lightbulb. The bust is like 3D. Anyone tell me why? I've added a pic of an 1899 OBV that Palves uploaded in his thread as a comparission, hope he does'nt mind

Yes it looked odd to me when I spotted it, convinced myself that it was normal and it was the capsule that made it look different.

Be interested to see a scan when you get it.

As far as I am aware no-one has reported any obverse die variations for the veiled heads, but i know there are in other denominations

[RLC35 288]

You might measure the thickness of the flan. If it is a thick flan, it might cause extra pressure on the dies, and thus produce a better (slightly higher) relief on the images.

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

Got this on Ebay, but was wondering why the bust of Victotia and Britannia stand out so much, so much so, i was like a moth to a lightbulb. The bust is like 3D. Anyone tell me why? I've added a pic of an 1899 OBV that Palves uploaded in his thread as a comparission, hope he does'nt mind

The 1901 is a 'death year' which usually results in hoarding, so it's not at all unusual to find nice coins. I'd simply put it down to that.

It is a cracking strike though, for sure.

If you were thinking proof, Freeman lists it as R18 which is 6-15 estimated, so that makes it pretty unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely.

Look forward to the arrival pics.

[azda 979]

Yes me to 400, its definately something different, whatever it is we'll soon know. I already have a 1901 but i just had to get it.

[scott 144]

it could of course be the shine on the coin.

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

All things remain possible, but it is a fine strike whatever.

[azda 979]

it could of course be the shine on the coin.

I'm not so sure that shine on a coin could make a bust that big

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

I'm not so sure that shine on a coin could make a bust that big

Have you read Don Quixote by the way ?

I think you'd like it.

I'm rooting for you and looking forward to seeing the in hand pictures.

x

[azda 979]

I'm not so sure that shine on a coin could make a bust that big

Have you read Don Quixote by the way ?

I think you'd like it.

I'm rooting for you and looking forward to seeing the in hand pictures.

x

Lol, i'm rooting for me to. This might be one to send to NGC.....Check out my new post. Any clues?

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

I'm sure you'll get an answer, but not from me.

I thought there wasn't any silver minted until the great recoinage under the supervision of GIV ?

What is a 'pattern' anyway....

[azda 979]

Its Bronze, and not quite sure

[argentumandcoins 70]

Its Bronze, and not quite sure

There were various patterns for the bank dollars (first dated 1798) and although the obverse is "right" the reverse and the date (no 1808 patterns) are a total fantasy. If it was genuine it would be mega bucks (especially if I was selling it).

[azda 979]

Its Bronze, and not quite sure

There were various patterns for the bank dollars (first dated 1798) and although the obverse is "right" the reverse and the date (no 1808 patterns) are a total fantasy. If it was genuine it would be mega bucks (especially if I was selling it).

Ok, so what do you make of this Viccy Penny John?

[argentumandcoins 70]

Got this on Ebay, but was wondering why the bust of Victotia and Britannia stand out so much, so much so, i was like a moth to a lightbulb. The bust is like 3D. Anyone tell me why? I've added a pic of an 1899 OBV that Palves uploaded in his thread as a comparission, hope he does'nt mind

Just looks like an exceptionally good strike. Pictures are always a pain in the proverbial to judge from, but, there is nothing that looks prooflike to me.

The proofs are crisp but not in any greater detail or depth than a currency strike and are quite often a leap of faith. There were so few struck that the dies were often used on the currency issues following a die failure, so an early currency strike from a proof die or dies is sometimes found, but again I wouldn't think yours is one of those either.

Looking at the rims they look quite rounded and worn, more so than the definition of the design. Be interesting to get it under a scope and see if there are any tooling marks, although from the pictures it appears an honest coin.

Not much help I know!

[azda 979]

Got this on Ebay, but was wondering why the bust of Victotia and Britannia stand out so much, so much so, i was like a moth to a lightbulb. The bust is like 3D. Anyone tell me why? I've added a pic of an 1899 OBV that Palves uploaded in his thread as a comparission, hope he does'nt mind

Just looks like an exceptionally good strike. Pictures are always a pain in the proverbial to judge from, but, there is nothing that looks prooflike to me.

The proofs are crisp but not in any greater detail or depth than a currency strike and are quite often a leap of faith. There were so few struck that the dies were often used on the currency issues following a die failure, so an early currency strike from a proof die or dies is sometimes found, but again I wouldn't think yours is one of those either.

Looking at the rims they look quite rounded and worn, more so than the definition of the design. Be interesting to get it under a scope and see if there are any tooling marks, although from the pictures it appears an honest coin.

Not much help I know!

Well i suppose i'm just going to have to wait until it arrives i suppose boo hoo. Might send this one to NGC afterwards

[argentumandcoins 70]

Got this on Ebay, but was wondering why the bust of Victotia and Britannia stand out so much, so much so, i was like a moth to a lightbulb. The bust is like 3D. Anyone tell me why? I've added a pic of an 1899 OBV that Palves uploaded in his thread as a comparission, hope he does'nt mind

Just looks like an exceptionally good strike. Pictures are always a pain in the proverbial to judge from, but, there is nothing that looks prooflike to me.

The proofs are crisp but not in any greater detail or depth than a currency strike and are quite often a leap of faith. There were so few struck that the dies were often used on the currency issues following a die failure, so an early currency strike from a proof die or dies is sometimes found, but again I wouldn't think yours is one of those either.

Looking at the rims they look quite rounded and worn, more so than the definition of the design. Be interesting to get it under a scope and see if there are any tooling marks, although from the pictures it appears an honest coin.

Not much help I know!

Well i suppose i'm just going to have to wait until it arrives i suppose boo hoo. Might send this one to NGC afterwards

Before you ask, NO I AM NOT ON COMMISION, if you want a GB coin slabbed it will have to go to CGS (Steve Lockett of London Coins). The US companies have not got the first idea about UK coins and frequently get the grade miles wrong, never mind whether or not it's a proof.

I bought 3 1902 proof coins this year from one US auction and all had been cleaned, ie the matt finish was finished!!!

CGS will get it right (if it has been tooled or played with they will just return it as unable to be slabbed).

[azda 979]

Got this on Ebay, but was wondering why the bust of Victotia and Britannia stand out so much, so much so, i was like a moth to a lightbulb. The bust is like 3D. Anyone tell me why? I've added a pic of an 1899 OBV that Palves uploaded in his thread as a comparission, hope he does'nt mind

Just looks like an exceptionally good strike. Pictures are always a pain in the proverbial to judge from, but, there is nothing that looks prooflike to me.

The proofs are crisp but not in any greater detail or depth than a currency strike and are quite often a leap of faith. There were so few struck that the dies were often used on the currency issues following a die failure, so an early currency strike from a proof die or dies is sometimes found, but again I wouldn't think yours is one of those either.

Looking at the rims they look quite rounded and worn, more so than the definition of the design. Be interesting to get it under a scope and see if there are any tooling marks, although from the pictures it appears an honest coin.

Not much help I know!

Well i suppose i'm just going to have to wait until it arrives i suppose boo hoo. Might send this one to NGC afterwards

Before you ask, NO I AM NOT ON COMMISION, if you want a GB coin slabbed it will have to go to CGS (Steve Lockett of London Coins). The US companies have not got the first idea about UK coins and frequently get the grade miles wrong, never mind whether or not it's a proof.

I bought 3 1902 proof coins this year from one US auction and all had been cleaned, ie the matt finish was finished!!!

CGS will get it right (if it has been tooled or played with they will just return it as unable to be slabbed).

Yes thats who i actually meant CGS, my mistake. I hope you asked for a refund on the 3 you bought John

[argentumandcoins 70]

Got this on Ebay, but was wondering why the bust of Victotia and Britannia stand out so much, so much so, i was like a moth to a lightbulb. The bust is like 3D. Anyone tell me why? I've added a pic of an 1899 OBV that Palves uploaded in his thread as a comparission, hope he does'nt mind

Just looks like an exceptionally good strike. Pictures are always a pain in the proverbial to judge from, but, there is nothing that looks prooflike to me.

The proofs are crisp but not in any greater detail or depth than a currency strike and are quite often a leap of faith. There were so few struck that the dies were often used on the currency issues following a die failure, so an early currency strike from a proof die or dies is sometimes found, but again I wouldn't think yours is one of those either.

Looking at the rims they look quite rounded and worn, more so than the definition of the design. Be interesting to get it under a scope and see if there are any tooling marks, although from the pictures it appears an honest coin.

Not much help I know!

Well i suppose i'm just going to have to wait until it arrives i suppose boo hoo. Might send this one to NGC afterwards

Before you ask, NO I AM NOT ON COMMISION, if you want a GB coin slabbed it will have to go to CGS (Steve Lockett of London Coins). The US companies have not got the first idea about UK coins and frequently get the grade miles wrong, never mind whether or not it's a proof.

I bought 3 1902 proof coins this year from one US auction and all had been cleaned, ie the matt finish was finished!!!

CGS will get it right (if it has been tooled or played with they will just return it as unable to be slabbed).

Yes thats who i actually meant CGS, my mistake. I hope you asked for a refund on the 3 you bought John

No, too much hassle shipping them back. Split them and sold on 1, still holding 2.

[Colin G. 147]

That looks very similar to some of the 1895 Old Head farthings, the dies must have been polished which gives a "proof like" effect with some mirroring to the fields, and a very clear strike. I believe them to be very early strikes.

[Red Riley 2]

I'm not so sure that shine on a coin could make a bust that big

Must be at least a 42DD.

Sorry, couldn't resist...

[Peckris 579]

I saw that specimen yesterday, and was admiring it. Another date and I might have bid for it.

The likelihood is though, it's either an early strike, or the way it's been lit (looks like flash), or both.

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

Has this not turned up yet ?

[azda 979]

No 400 it has'nt and am getting rather stressed about it now as he sent it last Tuesday, so if its gone awol in the post that would make 2 rarities i've lost, including the 1936 penny which the dealer said was actually sold, but i don't believe a word of it. Not a happy bunny today. The thing is, i bought a 1900 Viccy penny on Sunday and it arrived today, so i'm a little agitated now

Edited July 28, 2010 by azda

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

Not getting the rub of the green just now eh ?

Fingers crossed it turns up.