1887 sixpence

[numishoro 0]

Just got a cracking bargain on ebay.I purchased 2 x 1887 jubilee head sixpence for £7.04 and £4.00 postage.When I got them, one was in vf and valued at £50.00 in Spinks 2010.The other is unc and valued at £250.00 in Spinks 2010.Both have j.e.b. on the truncation.I also have an 1849 small date half crown in vf that cost me £19.00.That too is valued at £250.00.I'll try and find time towards the end of the week to get some photos uploaded.

[azda 979]

Just got a cracking bargain on ebay.I purchased 2 x 1887 jubilee head sixpence for £7.04 and £4.00 postage.When I got them, one was in vf and valued at £50.00 in Spinks 2010.The other is unc and valued at £250.00 in Spinks 2010.Both have j.e.b. on the truncation.I also have an 1849 small date half crown in vf that cost me £19.00.That too is valued at £250.00.I'll try and find time towards the end of the week to get some photos uploaded.

These are the more common variety and Spink has seriously overvalued these, a typical UNC would probably be worth 50 quid

[just.me 23]

the 2 Sixpences have JEB 'below' the bust, not 'on' the bust. These are very common and worth a fraction of the value of the 'on' bust variety.

[azda 979]

On the bust is the rarer variety, under the bust is the commoner type, why do you think you only paid 7 pounds for the both of them?

Edited September 8, 2010 by azda

[Red Riley 2]

I don't know where Spink's are getting their prices from, but I am finding them massively less than useful on modern issues. Has anyone else found the same?

[numishoro 0]

As well as Spinks 2010 I also have collectors coins GB 2009 and Coin yearbook 2010.These 2 quote prices dearer than Spinks so they must be massively over pricing too.So what is the most realistic coin catologue to buy??

[azda 979]

the 2 Sixpences have JEB 'below' the bust, not 'on' the bust. These are very common and worth a fraction of the value of the 'on' bust variety.

Ok, so you have quoted the Spink price, so you obviously have the book. There you will see 2 prices for the coin in UNC, you stated the JEB is below the bust, so what you were actually quoting was the JEB on the TRUNC price of 250, yours is the type below the TRUNC with a UNC price of 25 pounds.....Spink 3928, the other price is for the JEB on Viccies shoulder, this is where you have got confused

[Red Riley 2]

As well as Spinks 2010 I also have collectors coins GB 2009 and Coin yearbook 2010.These 2 quote prices dearer than Spinks so they must be massively over pricing too.So what is the most realistic coin catologue to buy??

I wouldn't have said that necessarily. My experience has been that Spink's underquote the lower grade coins (beneath their dignity I guess) and overquote higher grade or rarity.

[Peckris 579]

I don't know where Spink's are getting their prices from, but I am finding them massively less than useful on modern issues. Has anyone else found the same?

Spink is only a guide really. I found when dealing that there are myths that prevail, and to be fair, Spinks are simply one of the many guides that perpetuate them. For example :

1936 pennies have a market value only a fraction of what is quoted, and are pretty much unsaleable unless BU.

George VI pennies are almost worthless unless BU - ignore prices for EF coins.

1894 halfcrowns are very scarce and yet hardly rate higher than average for the series.

Ignore prices for farthings in VF or lower from 1911 onwards.

1958 halfcrowns in AUnc aren't at all scarce, yet look at the prices!

Bun farthings aren't worth what they are quoted in EF unless rare.

1754 farthings, 1758 shillings, 1787 silver, 1806 halfpennies, 1816 silver, 1887 JH silver - all really common, never pay catalogue value.

[just.me 23]

the 2 Sixpences have JEB 'below' the bust, not 'on' the bust. These are very common and worth a fraction of the value of the 'on' bust variety.

Ok, so you have quoted the Spink price, so you obviously have the book. There you will see 2 prices for the coin in UNC, you stated the JEB is below the bust, so what you were actually quoting was the JEB on the TRUNC price of 250, yours is the type below the TRUNC with a UNC price of 25 pounds.....Spink 3928, the other price is for the JEB on Viccies shoulder, this is where you have got confused

azda, I was telling him that his coins were the 'below' type, not the 'on' type. I am not confused at all. I think you have me confused with the op!?

[azda 979]

Here is my piece of advice Numis, you never stop learning about coins, until the day you decide to stop collecting, The best advice is to ask advice, this is what the forum ia about, its free and we all learn from various members here. I have learnt a lot from these people and i'll never stop asking questions if i'm in doubt about a coin i perhaps have my eye on but unsure about it.

As Peckris and Red said, Spink overprice some coins and undervalue others, people who buy the Spink book often rely of what is written, but as someone else said, it's better to look through auctions, not just ebay, but dealers auctions and look at prices paid for coins and their grades.

Hopefully you now have a slight insight into the way things work in the coin world and you'll come back with more questions, as i said, never be afraid to ask a question, even if you think it might be a silly question, new collectors are often good soft options for dealers etc and can rush into rash, overpriced, overhyped purchases, i would think 75% of members have done the same in the outset of their starting to collect coins.

Viel Spaß, und gute nacht aus München

[azda 979]

the 2 Sixpences have JEB 'below' the bust, not 'on' the bust. These are very common and worth a fraction of the value of the 'on' bust variety.

Ok, so you have quoted the Spink price, so you obviously have the book. There you will see 2 prices for the coin in UNC, you stated the JEB is below the bust, so what you were actually quoting was the JEB on the TRUNC price of 250, yours is the type below the TRUNC with a UNC price of 25 pounds.....Spink 3928, the other price is for the JEB on Viccies shoulder, this is where you have got confused

azda, I was telling him that his coins were the 'below' type, not the 'on' type. I am not confused at all. I think you have me confused with the op!?

Ah ok, i read it wrong lol

[just.me 23]

I don't know where Spink's are getting their prices from, but I am finding them massively less than useful on modern issues. Has anyone else found the same?

Spink is only a guide really. I found when dealing that there are myths that prevail, and to be fair, Spinks are simply one of the many guides that perpetuate them. For example :

1936 pennies have a market value only a fraction of what is quoted, and are pretty much unsaleable unless BU.

George VI pennies are almost worthless unless BU - ignore prices for EF coins.

1894 halfcrowns are very scarce and yet hardly rate higher than average for the series.

Ignore prices for farthings in VF or lower from 1911 onwards.

1958 halfcrowns in AUnc aren't at all scarce, yet look at the prices!

Bun farthings aren't worth what they are quoted in EF unless rare.

1754 farthings, 1758 shillings, 1787 silver, 1806 halfpennies, 1816 silver, 1887 JH silver - all really common, never pay catalogue value.

although 1887 jub is generally common, there are the scarce and rare varieties among them,like the properJEB ON TRUNC 6d, you couldn't class that as common surely

[just.me 23]

I read somewhere that the JEB ON trunc was a die that was meant for a half Sovereign. Can anyone confirm if thats true or not please?

Thanks in advance.

[azda 979]

I read somewhere that the JEB ON trunc was a die that was meant for a half Sovereign. Can anyone confirm if thats true or not please?

Thanks in advance.

I think you read that in CCGB, but Chris also has a question mark against it, personally i don't know.

[numishoro 0]

O.K Here is the 1887 sixpence.You can see JEB clearly.Is this "on" the truncation or "below"? It looks to me like it is right on the edge but is it classed as on or below?

[numishoro 0]

And here is the whole coin in all its glory http://a.imageshack.us/img685/483/20100908124420.jpg

[numishoro 0]

[just.me 23]

the pictures you have are of a Shilling,,not a Sixpence. there are differences between them, the easieast one is that Sixpences have the cross on victorias crown toucing the border teeth, Shillings have the crown well clear of the teeth. So the coin in the photos is definitely a Shilling. Sorry to disappoint.

[just.me 23]

oh, also all shillings have JEB ON truncation the same as the pictures.

[Peckris 579]

although 1887 jub is generally common, there are the scarce and rare varieties among them,like the properJEB ON TRUNC 6d, you couldn't class that as common surely

No, I was talking about the coins you're likely to run across - there are rare varieties it's true, but the fact they are rare means you're not likely to find one casually!

the pictures you have are of a Shilling,,not a Sixpence. there are differences between them, the easieast one is that Sixpences have the cross on victorias crown toucing the border teeth, Shillings have the crown well clear of the teeth. So the coin in the photos is definitely a Shilling. Sorry to disappoint.

There is another difference you might find worth remembering, it could help you out a lot in the future. The shillings are the size of shillings, and the sixpences are the size of sixpences.

[just.me 23]

true peck, size is important.

I have seen quite a few Shillings on Ebay getting sold as the rare Sixpence. And funnily enough there were no sizes mentioned, trying to con folk into thinking they're getting a bargain.

[Peckris 579]

true peck, size is important.

I have seen quite a few Shillings on Ebay getting sold as the rare Sixpence. And funnily enough there were no sizes mentioned, trying to con folk into thinking they're getting a bargain.

Ah, eBay. 'Nuff said!