James Workman Penny Auction

[Bernie 203]

The James Workman Collection Part 2 will be auctioned starting 10th. November. Catalogues are available on request at Colin Cooke Coins website.

[Colin G. 147]

The James Workman Collection Part 2 will be auctioned starting 10th. November. Catalogues are available on request at Colin Cooke Coins website.

More pennies!!

[azda 979]

Still waiting on a catalogue unfortunately, emailed last week or 10 days ago ish

[Colin G. 147]

Actually I take it back, I have drooled over a few over those, and I am not even a penny collector

[Beebman 2]

Part 2 appears to be on display from the top link under the 'Collections' tab of the CCC website, or am I jumping the gun?

[azda 979]

Part 2 appears to be on display from the top link under the 'Collections' tab of the CCC website, or am I jumping the gun?

Nope, good spot beebman

[1949threepence 3,367]

Part 2 appears to be on display from the top link under the 'Collections' tab of the CCC website, or am I jumping the gun?

....and the link to Part 2 is here

[Bernie 203]

Still waiting on a catalogue unfortunately, emailed last week or 10 days ago ish

The catalogues will probably not arrive until Monday 8th. November.

[Red Riley 2]

The catalogues will probably not arrive until Monday 8th. November.

I can't wait!

[VickySilver 830]

Uhh, those are some low lead-in estimates....Get ready for a blood bath on a few of these! D---, I still need an upgrade or two and will have to wait and see if this penny frenzy, and especially the buns ever dies down...

[scott 144]

1899 milled edge? O.O

[Bernie 203]

1899 milled edge? O.O

Attached is a picture of the milled edge.

[davidrj 194]

Michael Freeman - by 1964 he had removed 18,363 bun pennies from circulation.

I'm re-reading my 1966 version of Freeman's The Victorian Bronze Penny.

He mentions veiled head pennies with milled edges:-

1896 5 out of 4943

1897 4 out of 4297

1898 1 out of 2971

1899 19 out of 5688

1900 15 out of 6901

1901 16 out of 4533

my 1970 edition of his The Bronze Coinage of Great Britain mentions just

1896 F144 R18

1899 F151 R18

1899 F152 R18

1901 F155 R18

Is there anything in his later additions? No mention to my recollection in either of Gouby's books

I have a couple that are almost certainly fake - I'll dig them out and see if I can get a photograph

Anyone here know the story behind these? did the coins get sold? were they all dismissed as altered?

1899 milled edge? O.O

Attached is a picture of the milled edge.

I thought the general consensus was that all those listed in Freeman's 1st book had been consigned to the "altered post striking" category

David

Edited November 4, 2010 by davidrj

[scott 144]

yea thats what i thought so why?

[VickySilver 830]

Was that mint altered, and if so, why? I have no interest in them but hopefully will bring a big price to the consignor.

[RLC35 288]

I requested a closeup pic of the "2" in the 1882/1 from Cooke, but they sent me the same pic they have on the website. You can't tell anything from that. With all the variations in that coin, I would like to see if it is one of the better examples, up close, before I put in a bid!

[1949threepence 3,367]

I requested a closeup pic of the "2" in the 1882/1 from Cooke, but they sent me the same pic they have on the website. You can't tell anything from that. With all the variations in that coin, I would like to see if it is one of the better examples, up close, before I put in a bid!

Some overstrikes are clear, but that one isn't. You need, and quite reasonably requested, a close up pic of the date, and it seems a bit unintelligent of Cookes to simply send you the existing pic.

[argentumandcoins 70]

Michael Freeman - by 1964 he had removed 18,363 bun pennies from circulation.

I'm re-reading my 1966 version of Freeman's The Victorian Bronze Penny.

He mentions veiled head pennies with milled edges:-

1896 5 out of 4943

1897 4 out of 4297

1898 1 out of 2971

1899 19 out of 5688

1900 15 out of 6901

1901 16 out of 4533

my 1970 edition of his The Bronze Coinage of Great Britain mentions just

1896 F144 R18

1899 F151 R18

1899 F152 R18

1901 F155 R18

Is there anything in his later additions? No mention to my recollection in either of Gouby's books

I have a couple that are almost certainly fake - I'll dig them out and see if I can get a photograph

Anyone here know the story behind these? did the coins get sold? were they all dismissed as altered?

1899 milled edge? O.O

Attached is a picture of the milled edge.

I thought the general consensus was that all those listed in Freeman's 1st book had been consigned to the "altered post striking" category

David

Yes, they are all post production and post circulation. That was confirmed by the mint themselves after microscopic examination.

[Red Riley 2]

I requested a closeup pic of the "2" in the 1882/1 from Cooke, but they sent me the same pic they have on the website. You can't tell anything from that. With all the variations in that coin, I would like to see if it is one of the better examples, up close, before I put in a bid!

Some overstrikes are clear, but that one isn't. You need, and quite reasonably requested, a close up pic of the date, and it seems a bit unintelligent of Cookes to simply send you the existing pic.

From what I can see, it does look like all (all?) the other 1882/1s I've seen i.e. just the merest fragment remaining of the 1 appearing above the diagonal stroke of the 2. Small wonder that this, one of the last date overstrikes to be issued by the mint, was not discovered as a variety until comparatively recently.

[Bernie 203]

I requested a closeup pic of the "2" in the 1882/1 from Cooke, but they sent me the same pic they have on the website. You can't tell anything from that. With all the variations in that coin, I would like to see if it is one of the better examples, up close, before I put in a bid!

Some overstrikes are clear, but that one isn't. You need, and quite reasonably requested, a close up pic of the date, and it seems a bit unintelligent of Cookes to simply send you the existing pic.

This very coin in the auction was the actual discovery coin owned by Malcolm Peake which led to the recorded variation in the "Bronze coinage of Great Britain" author Michael J Freeman

[Peckris2 0]

I requested a closeup pic of the "2" in the 1882/1 from Cooke, but they sent me the same pic they have on the website. You can't tell anything from that. With all the variations in that coin, I would like to see if it is one of the better examples, up close, before I put in a bid!

Some overstrikes are clear, but that one isn't. You need, and quite reasonably requested, a close up pic of the date, and it seems a bit unintelligent of Cookes to simply send you the existing pic.

This very coin in the auction was the actual discovery coin owned by Malcolm Peake which led to the recorded variation in the "Bronze coinage of Great Britain" author Michael J Freeman

How would just the top of the 1 survive when the rest of its downstroke should show within the loop of the 2?

[RLC35 288]

Bernie,

Thanks for the close up of the "2." While the vertical is hard to see, as it always is, the top of the "1," above the 2, is very clear, and helps greatly in the identification.

[Bernie 203]

Bernie,

Thanks for the close up of the "2." While the vertical is hard to see, as it always is, the top of the "1," above the 2, is very clear, and helps greatly in the identification.

I visited your website, very impressive, will bookmark !!

[Bernie 203]

Bernie,

Thanks for the close up of the "2." While the vertical is hard to see, as it always is, the top of the "1," above the 2, is very clear, and helps greatly in the identification.

I visited your website, very impressive, will bookmark !!

The picture of the 1860T (lot 8) is highly unrepresentative of the actual coin. The scratches and scars that appear on the picture are not as apparently obvious and the coin is a chocolate brown colour. The area around where the (missing) colon dots should be is unclear. I therefore are attaching a picture of the area.

[Red Riley 2]

How would just the top of the 1 survive when the rest of its downstroke should show within the loop of the 2?

There are others more knowledgeable than me, but my understanding is that blobs of weld are laid into the die and then ground down but this does leave a couple of problems in my mind;

1) When patching the bodywork of a car, a skilled automotive welder can lay blobs of weld into the interface between old and new metal in such a way that you have no idea there is a patch there. That being the case, why couldn't the mint make a better job of it?

2) When did they invent welding anyway?*

* Just searched the internet. In the Bronze Age apparently...

Edited November 5, 2010 by Red Riley