1882 Penny No H

[azda 979]

So i bought this on pure speculation as the ebay seller had ??? against it. To me, there seems no H as my magnified picture shows, there's also no evidence of tooling either, so i'm putting it up here for debate. Personally i can't see any evidence of an H, maybe someone else has a theory on it?

[davidrj 194]

So i bought this on pure speculation as the ebay seller had ??? against it. To me, there seems no H as my magnified picture shows, there's also no evidence of tooling either, so i'm putting it up here for debate. Personally i can't see any evidence of an H, maybe someone else has a theory on it?

Azda can you show the whole coin so we can see which dies it's from?

David

[azda 979]

OBV

[azda 979]

REV

[davidrj 194]

OBV

Not the same die as the "accepted" no H, outer ribbon should point down not outwards

Still analysing reverse

David

[Peckris 579]

So i bought this on pure speculation as the ebay seller had ??? against it. To me, there seems no H as my magnified picture shows, there's also no evidence of tooling either, so i'm putting it up here for debate. Personally i can't see any evidence of an H, maybe someone else has a theory on it?

I feel I can just see a faint H - it's nearer the second 8 than the first.

[azda 979]

I'll do another magnified picture at 60x or 200x and see what we get then, will be tomorrow tho

[SionGilbey 1]

I think I can see the H as well, that area is quite faded as you can see the bottoms of the numbers are also faded.

[SionGilbey 1]

Just checked on an 1882 with a H and it is exactly where I think I can see the H on yours.

[davidrj 194]

OBV

Not the same die as the "accepted" no H, outer ribbon should point down not outwards

Still analysing reverse

David

Sorry Azda, had a play increasing contrast and adjusting levels

I think there is definitely the remains of a faint H

Can't win them all!

David

[azda 979]

If am being honest Sion i really can't see an H, so what i've done is microscoped another picture at 60x, 200x was useless. I've then went into paint and arrowed what i think you might be seeing. To me it is a shape of some sort, but looks more like a Z than an H to me as what i believe as an angled line and not horizontal as an H should be.

So take a look and then you thoughts. Fisrt one is the magnified and the 2nd is what i did through paint with arrows pointing at the shape that i'm seeing

[azda 979]

Paint 1882

[Accumulator 52]

Interesting buy azda and certainly worth the punt as even under the microscope it's far from obvious. How about submitting it to NGS or the like and see what they make of it?

[azda 979]

Interesting buy azda and certainly worth the punt as even under the microscope it's far from obvious. How about submitting it to NGS or the like and see what they make of it?

Could be a possibility as the scope i have is limited, as you say, it was just a punt and still to me its far from a obvious H, maybe its the metal flow, but no idea. I think i will submit it, more for clarification than anything else, but as David stated its not the correct die for the 1882 without H, but as we all know, not everything conforms to a written standard or the same dies

[scott 144]

what i can see is the bototm of the 8's are worn,as is the line going around the boarder teeth, at the point the H would be

[azda 979]

what i can see is the bototm of the 8's are worn,as is the line going around the boarder teeth, at the point the H would be

I see a lot of the coin worn Scott, but i understand why you'd pick that point to point out

[Colin G. 147]

what i can see is the bototm of the 8's are worn,as is the line going around the boarder teeth, at the point the H would be

That is a very good point and well spotted, it certainly does look like some abrasion has taken place in these areas.

[Peckris 579]

Paint 1882

I think this is a classic example of where a microscope gets TOO close - the faint H is more visible on your original close-up (1st post)