1819 over 8 Half Crown

[Benny who 6]

Hi to all within the Forum,I would love to hear your opinion on the picture of the 1819 I have attached.

I know from the Collectors' coins Annual that there was one example sold by Spink/Adam,I would like to know if there has been anymore sold,approx mintage(if known),and a value if possible.

[Gary 7]

Nice pic, very clear overdate. My first impession was that the coin is a fake, just a gut feeling based on the colour. What the provenance and can you weigh it?

As to mintage that is difficult to say, figures for 1819 are 4 790 016 but that is only a total for halfcrowns minted in 1819 and at that time it was not uncommen to use dies from the previous year so halfcrowns dated 1818 could have been minted in 1819.

An 1819 over 8 was sold in 2005 (Spinks) for £900 in VF (very fine) condition. Yours I would grade F (Fine) at the most.

Edited January 16, 2011 by Gary

[Benny who 6]

I had the coin verified and slabbed by CGS,which was graded by them as F20,probably one of the lowest graded coins that they have done.It was bought from a reputable dealer a number of years ago,the receipt being so safely filed away,that I can't find it.

I have added a picture of the reverse of the coin,which is quite darkly toned.

[Gary 7]

I had the coin verified and slabbed by CGS,which was graded by them as F20,probably one of the lowest graded coins that they have done.It was bought from a reputable dealer a number of years ago,the receipt being so safely filed away,that I can't find it.

I have added a picture of the reverse of the coin,which is quite darkly toned.

Ok, that sound good. Having looked around a bit I can find no upto date values for this coin. The only reference that I have found is the Coincraft s standard catalogue from 2000 which gives values of £50 in Fine or £100 in Very Fine condition. Other references only state that it is extremly rare. Usually what this means, is that not enough coins come up for sale to be able to allocate a value. I think it safe to say that the value is that which a collector is willing to pay for it at the time of its sale. Not much help, I know but thats the way it is with these rare coins. Get two or more people who really want it bidding against each other and who knows what it will fetch!

I'm surprised that no one else has commented on this thread yet, I'm sure that other members have a better knowledge of halfcrowns than me!

[Colin G. 147]

Halcrowns are not my thing, so can't really comment, but CGS attribute a value to a coin when it is slabbed, so you should get an idea from the value they have given the coin.

[Rob 3,152]

Hi to all within the Forum,I would love to hear your opinion on the picture of the 1819 I have attached.

I know from the Collectors' coins Annual that there was one example sold by Spink/Adam,I would like to know if there has been anymore sold,approx mintage(if known),and a value if possible.

The Adams coin was ex BDW 8 lot 388 where described as thought the only known example - a statement that usually brings out a few more. The coin sold for £900 hammer and was graded EF. I don't know if that was the same coin referred to by Gary as VF, but if so Adams 602 is certainly better than that and looks EF in the catalogue. Another example in EF passed through Spink in a private sale (Nov. 2001) for considerably more, but the Adams coin is probably a fairer assessment of value as it was an open competitive sale which the other wasn't. I've a vague recollection of seeing another lower grade coin, but don't have any records as I don't follow them, having no great interest.

Mintage you've no chance with as yearly figures are the closest you will get, if available at all. Individual die mintages are only ever going to be available for trials, patterns or proofs and even then you will be struggling.

Edited January 18, 2011 by Rob

[Peter 615]

Who hasn't bought a few Turkeys and a few gems...buy with your eye and a bit of research ...know the game please...it ain't hard

Edited January 18, 2011 by Peter

[Peter 615]

Hammered need a good looking at.Presently only looking at BSE mint although I can be tempted

[Rob 3,152]

Hammered need a good looking at.

Hammered 1819 over 8 halfcrowns? Make an offer for the coin in the opening post on this thread - fits the criteria at 7 & 12 o'clock. ... Or should this be in a different thread?

Edited January 18, 2011 by Rob

[Gary 7]

Hi to all within the Forum,I would love to hear your opinion on the picture of the 1819 I have attached.

I know from the Collectors' coins Annual that there was one example sold by Spink/Adam,I would like to know if there has been anymore sold,approx mintage(if known),and a value if possible.

The Adams coin was ex BDW 8 lot 388 where described as thought the only known example - a statement that usually brings out a few more. The coin sold for £900 hammer and was graded EF. I don't know if that was the same coin referred to by Gary as VF, but if so Adams 602 is certainly better than that and looks EF in the catalogue. Another example in EF passed through Spink in a private sale (Nov. 2001) for considerably more, but the Adams coin is probably a fairer assessment of value as it was an open competitive sale which the other wasn't. I've a vague recollection of seeing another lower grade coin, but don't have any records as I don't follow them, having no great interest.

Mintage you've no chance with as yearly figures are the closest you will get, if available at all. Individual die mintages are only ever going to be available for trials, patterns or proofs and even then you will be struggling.

Yep, thats the one I was on about, Adams spld by Spinks.

Hammered need a good looking at.

Hammered 1819 over 8 halfcrowns? Make an offer for the coin in the opening post on this thread - fits the criteria at 7 & 12 o'clock. ... Or should this be in a different thread?

:D laugh, I nearly fell off my chair........

[Benny who 6]

Thank you for your help,had seen the Adams coin,however wasn't aware of any others.