Interesting newsreel

[Debbie 58]

Oh my goodness, perhaps I should stop now.....

Back to talking proofs - what do you think of this ?

[Debbie 58]

Sorry I'll try again?

[Red Riley 2]

very interesting videos.

im wondering about proofs, it stated in the video that the proof blanks were double struck, this is so for the modern coin being produced, does anyone know if older proofs, victorian or earlier were double struck?

And not only proofs. The 1818-20 currency crowns received multiple strikes and were sent to banks wrapped in tissue paper.

[Coinery 1,157]

Well I for one am very grateful for all your time spent explaining and educating...I am on the computer a lot as I run a business from home. I must admit though it is far too easy to become distracted now I have discovered the forum!

Distracted? You have hit the nail right on the head there, I just cannot stop from picking up my phone and checking the threads out. It's real pain that I can view all the new content at the click of a button, because that is what I am doing now, more and more!

It's a great idea Mr Peckris, Sir...keep us all addicted to the forum, leaving us no time to get out there and surf the world for bargain coins. :-)

[Nick 329]

Sorry I'll try again?

It's very unlikely to be a proof and for me a coin has to have some eye appeal - and that does not.

[Debbie 58]

t's a great idea Mr Peckris, Sir...keep us all addicted to the forum, leaving us no time to get out there and surf the world for bargain coins.

You know Coinery I hadn't thought of that! I am wondering how long and how many posts it takes to become a "forum god"!!!

Nick - I should have posted that link on the ebay laughs thread. It was the "ultra rare" reference I thought odd !

[Rob 3,152]

Oh my goodness, perhaps I should stop now.....

Back to talking proofs - what do you think of this ?

It is a currency piece that has been polished. You may well be able to see your face in the fields which you could do if it was a proof, but you won't find any sane person willing to pay £500-1K for a coin which was worth a few pounds as an uncirculated shilling, but whose value headed south following the cleaning. The legend is blocked with a cloudy deposit which is probably metal polish residue. A VIP proof has the recesses within the legend as mirror like as the main parts of the fields. And if it is 1956, I would expect it to be frosted like the others. Age old advice, but if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

Edited December 28, 2011 by Rob

[Peckris 579]

Sorry I'll try again?

It's been polished. Look at the raised parts of the design :

1. They are as shiny as the fields, which COULD occur on a proof, if it's a 'mirror proof', but ...

2. See the 'gunk' around all the raised parts? That shows where inexpert polishing hasn't got close enough to the edges of the design - look particularly between the teeth.

There's nothing about that coin that suggests a genuine proof, and the starting bid of $0.99 - which hasn't even been met yet! - shows that.

[Debbie 58]

Oh - so there ARE ultra rare 1956 proof shillings out there somewhere!

[Peckris 579]

Oh - so there ARE ultra rare 1956 proof shillings out there somewhere!

Yes there are quite probably a few VIP proofs (ultra rare) that surface once in a while. Someone here will quote chapter and verse on when the last one was up for sale.

[Rob 3,152]

Oh - so there ARE ultra rare 1956 proof shillings out there somewhere!

Yes.

I'll post this via photobucket to save having to refer to different threads.

Below left is a 1956 currency obverse, centre is a 1953 proof obverse from the RM set in the red case and right is a 1958 VIP proof obverse. All uncleaned. Although a scan washes out some of the detail and tones, the differences are obvious.

[ski 1]

Thanks red riley. i was surprised in the video how roughly the blanks were treated.

youre all in denial , hiding behind youre addiction for coin collecting when you all clearly are addicted to writing about it too!!!.

but what a great distraction we enjoy, collecting great pieces, sharing them here and learning from the gods who teach us here...may it long continue, and a big thank you too for the great advice ive received in my time here.

ski

[Rob 3,152]

Oh - so there ARE ultra rare 1956 proof shillings out there somewhere!

Yes there are quite probably a few VIP proofs (ultra rare) that surface once in a while. Someone here will quote chapter and verse on when the last one was up for sale.

I guess that means me.

VIP proofs are not excessively rare as a type, but individual dates vary in rarity. They do crop up in a few (proper) sales every year, in fact the last DNW sale had a 1947 2/6d. A ball park figure for one in good condition is £500-1000 for the Ag/Cu-Ni denominations and £300-£1K for the bronze. All denominations exist as VIP proofs.

[ski 1]

I think the bole collection sale had a good few vip sixpence proofs

baldwins have a couple of vip proofs......£1750 for a 1935 florin

[ski 1]

sorry i may have missed it somewhere in the conversation......am i right in saying that vip proofs are still cu/ni for those coins produced in that material for business strikes??

[Rob 3,152]

sorry i may have missed it somewhere in the conversation......am i right in saying that vip proofs are still cu/ni for those coins produced in that material for business strikes??

Yes

[ski 1]

thanks rob.

[Nick 329]

You know Coinery I hadn't thought of that! I am wondering how long and how many posts it takes to become a "forum god"!!!

Nick - I should have posted that link on the ebay laughs thread. It was the "ultra rare" reference I thought odd !

It's a thousand and how quickly you get there is entirely up to you.

[VickySilver 832]

Shiny yes, proof no. Looks to be rather flat details and devices...