Help with Silver Groat identification

[crashetta 0]

Hi All.

I have found a silver Groat as pictured in attachments. I am trying to work out if it is an Edward V or something else and figured this would be the best place to find out exactly what i have.

Many thanks for any advice or help you can give.

Kind regards,

Tim.

[Rob 3,152]

The pictures are too small to say which variety it is other than it is Edward the something, so post a larger image or alternatively upload the images to photobucket or similar and provide a link. Edward V would be nice, but is wishful thinking. The problem with Edward V is that it has not proved possible to say for certain which groats were struck at the end of Edward IV or during the short tenure of Edward V due to extensive muling of the different obverse and reverse dies. The gold has been sorted but not the silver, and there is no solution in sight.

Another request for id which automatically homes in on the rarest possible type in the catalogue!!!

Edited January 26, 2011 by Rob

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

Another request for id which automatically homes in on the rarest possible type in the catalogue!!!

Cynic.

Hopefully.....

[crashetta 0]

Thank you for the warm welcome to your friendly website!

I am new to this and reading Edward V rather than Edward IV or another, led me to think it was possibly a Edward 5th coin. I have no idea if it is or if this is rarer than any other Groat, hence my asking for some constructive help with this.

I have just read, Edward V., 1483.

Short as was the reign of this young king, coins are said to have been issued in his name and by his authority; none however are known to have been his have come down to us; and it is more probably that none were ever struck, or, if they were, that they were struck from dies of his father's coins

So where would the best place be to find out what i have? Thank you in advance of any help.

Kind regards,Tim.

[Rob 3,152]

I can tell you what you've got if the images are clear enough. The precise identification depends on the finer design details such as the shape of the lettering etc. hence the request for large clear images. There is a 150K size limit on individual pictures, but you can post one side first and then the other in a subsequent reply. Alternatively you can upload the images to a photo hosting site such as photobucket and provide the links. If you take bigger images at higher resolution and trim the waste to leave as much of the frame filled with coin, it would go a long way to sorting the problem.

[crashetta 0]

Thanks Rob.

I have tried doing that with my last post by putting one on just short of the 150kb limit but agree its not really big enough. I am not over good at setting up something like Photo bucket but will try over the next few days to do this. The originals are about 2600 pixels wide and look very detailed but appreciate i need to give them some sort of link!

Kind regards,

Tim.

[crashetta 0]

http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/crashetta/?action=view&current=Groat001.jpg

Front side of coin above! Hope this works.

http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa438/crashetta/?action=view&current=Groat005.jpg

Rear.

[azda 979]

Hopefully this might help you out Rob with identification, unfortunately the OBV was to bright, but see what you can pick out of the 2 pics i cropped and enlarged somewhat

[azda 979]

OBV

[Rob 3,152]

It's Edward III, but the detail (or lack of due to brightness) on the obverse makes it difficult to pin down any further. There are quite a lot of Treaty groat varieties including many mules between types.

Edited January 27, 2011 by Rob

[crashetta 0]

Thank you Rob and Azda.

Thats really kind of you to go to this trouble and so quickly.

As the width is only approximately 22mm does this mean it is a half groat? Trying to find out what i can but the sizes seem to vary so much.

Kind regards, Tim.

[azda 979]

Thank you Rob and Azda.

Thats really kind of you to go to this trouble and so quickly.

As the width is only approximately 22mm does this mean it is a half groat? Trying to find out what i can but the sizes seem to vary so much.

Kind regards, Tim.

Tim, if you can upload a better OBV picture without so much light Rob could help a little more with identification, as you can see, cropping the picture gives a better view of the coin. If you have no means in which to do that, then just upload another here and i'll sort it out the upload it again

[crashetta 0]

Hi Azda.

Really sorry but is the OBV what us newbies would call the back?

I do have some really big 2500pixel wide ish picture in good detail with less light but the Photbucket seems to load them smaller. Did you crop the others from the Photobucket link or the ones i loaded? Thanks again for doing that!

Regards, Tim.

[azda 979]

Hi Azda.

Really sorry but is the OBV what us newbies would call the back?

I do have some really big 2500pixel wide ish picture in good detail with less light but the Photbucket seems to load them smaller. Did you crop the others from the Photobucket link or the ones i loaded? Thanks again for doing that!

Regards, Tim.

Normally OBV is the side with the monarchs head. I cropped the pics you uploaded here. If you can get close to it without losing focus and take the flash off then hopefully will make it easier to identify

Edited January 27, 2011 by azda

[crashetta 0]

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Hi Azda.

Really sorry but is the OBV what us newbies would call the back?

I do have some really big 2500pixel wide ish picture in good detail with less light but the Photbucket seems to load them smaller. Did you crop the others from the Photobucket link or the ones i loaded? Thanks again for doing that!

Regards, Tim.

[azda 979]

I have tried all ways to get a better shot, with and without flash etc but i am not brill with a camera. The ones i up-loaded onto photobucket look quite clear as they are larger. The links are on this post from 11-02 yesterday. If you dont mind having a look at these. They can be made bigger but sure you know this!How much more detail do they need to show? Thanks for your time. Tim.

[Colin G. 147]

Tim,

Send the images through to my e-mail address on my website and I will host the pictures for you

[crashetta 0]

Thank you Colin.

I have sent you what i have but as Azda says they are probably no good due to the shine from the flash.

Thanks for the advice Azda. I have a friend coming over next week who is a professional photographer and he also said about using natural light and something about a raised glass background to give some depth. May have mis-understood but hopefully have something better for you next week.

I am sure from what Rob has said already it is probably nothing special but my 2 boys are really intersted in finding out exactly what we found as am I. Its really interesting seeing all of the possibilities of what it might be and seeing how much trouble they went to so long ago. Have a chest of 1890 ish to 1969 mixed coins in the loft i might do some homework on. Have been researching a decent book that would cover this period. Any advice welcome.

Kind regards,

Tim.

[azda 979]

Thank you Colin.

I have sent you what i have but as Azda says they are probably no good due to the shine from the flash.

Thanks for the advice Azda. I have a friend coming over next week who is a professional photographer and he also said about using natural light and something about a raised glass background to give some depth. May have mis-understood but hopefully have something better for you next week.

I am sure from what Rob has said already it is probably nothing special but my 2 boys are really intersted in finding out exactly what we found as am I. Its really interesting seeing all of the possibilities of what it might be and seeing how much trouble they went to so long ago. Have a chest of 1890 ish to 1969 mixed coins in the loft i might do some homework on. Have been researching a decent book that would cover this period. Any advice welcome.

Kind regards,

Tim.

The spink book 2011 will give you all you require for those dates, cost 25 quid or go to your local library. Its also good that your kids have taken an interest, my advice would be to let them have a few of the coins so that they could hopefully take an interest in collecting

Edited January 30, 2011 by azda

[crashetta 0]

Hi azda.

Spink 2011, Coins of England book arrived today. Many thanks for the tip.

From what i can see i have a Half Groat rather than a Groat and it seems to match the description for a 1621. I have Edward VS but not sure what an Annulet is? I have a cross which looks most like 4 and then what looks like a c or o, followed by the EdwardVS. Can you please let me know if i am assuming correctly? Cross would make it 1356-61.

From the pictures how would you grade this?

Met a German guy on a flight to China on November 4th. He was travelling from Shanghai to a coin convention about 3 hours by train from the city. As this site has a German connection i wondered if he would be traceable. He has worked with World coins as a job until he retired a year or so ago. Just a long shot!

Kind regards,

Tim.

[Colin G. 147]

Tim,

Sorry for the delay the images ended up in my spam folder!!

http://www.aboutfarthings.co.uk/images/forum/crash1.JPG

http://www.aboutfarthings.co.uk/images/forum/crash2.JPG

I have altered the Obverse to try and make it a bit clearer

Edited February 6, 2011 by Colin G.

[azda 979]

Met a German guy on a flight to China on November 4th. He was travelling from Shanghai to a coin convention about 3 hours by train from the city. As this site has a German connection i wondered if he would be traceable. He has worked with World coins as a job until he retired a year or so ago. Just a long shot!

Kind regards,

Tim.

A needle in a haystack there Tim, although there is a world coin fair coming up here in Munich next month wich i intend to attend, a friend of mine is coming over from Scotland for a wee visitation as he's also a collector. I'm actually a little peeved, i sold him an 1854 Shilling (to cheaply) bet he's laughing now, but i'll make sure he dips his hand in his pocket at the Hofbrauhaus

[Guest BartUK]

A bit quiet here but will give it a shot. Need some help with this one please

[Nordle11 564]

6 minutes ago, Guest BartUK said:

A bit quiet here but will give it a shot. Need some help with this one please

Friday always seems to be the quietest day of the week here. Someone who can actually help will come along at some point  

[PWA 1967 2,142]

Made me smile that Bart.......its a bit quiet here.

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Edited January 27, 2017 by PWA 1967