Penny 1797. False?

[palves 0]

Hi,

A friend of mine was offered this coin.

I am quite suspicious about the style, namely: waves, flower, tummy, legend... even colour.

Whats your opinion?

thanks

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

I don't think we like to comment on things like this Palves.

Either way.

Best wishes.

[palves 0]

I don't think we like to comment on things like this Palves.

Either way.

Best wishes.

Ok, Thanks. I was not trying to frame anyone

I advice my friend not to get it because of the details, but mostly because the price...

If the moderator wishes so, he can delete the topic.

Sorry about it!

PA

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

We're all very relaxed, Sir, no need to apologise.

[Peckris 579]

Hi,

A friend of mine was offered this coin.

I am quite suspicious about the style, namely: waves, flower, tummy, legend... even colour.

Whats your opinion?

thanks

I don't know what the fuss is about (I think 400 was joking!). We often do give our opinion here when it's asked for.

That's a twopence, not a penny. There doesn't look anything wrong with the design as far as I can see (though if you had compared it with a good picture of a 1797 penny, that might have made you suspicious - apart from the dramatic difference in size, there are small but subtle differences between the two denominations). The main thing wrong with it, is it's been cleaned (hence the suspicious colour)!! Presumably to give the impression of a higher grade. It is in fact barely VF in my opinion. However,in its favour, it has an excellent rim with little or no damage, lacking the usual knocks which is highly unusual. And the legend is good too.

Without cleaning it could easily be a £50 - £75 coin, but the cleaning would knock that back quite a bit.

[palves 0]

The price asked for this coin was above 100 pounds Even before looking to the details, I advice my colleague not to buy it... too expensive for the detail and the cleaning.

You are right about me comparing to the wrong coin. I have just realize that the site where I got the picture to compare with has the exact same picture for both the penny and the twopence. Blame Google and myself

Thanks.

PA

[Peckris 579]

The price asked for this coin was above 100 pounds Even before looking to the details, I advice my colleague not to buy it... too expensive for the detail and the cleaning.

You are right about me comparing to the wrong coin. I have just realize that the site where I got the picture to compare with has the exact same picture for both the penny and the twopence. Blame Google and myself

Thanks.

PA

Yes - over £100 is far too rich for that coin. Treated kindly and allowed to 'tone back' over a long period of time, it will be a nice specimen, but for now?..only at the right price.

[Red Riley 2]

Yes - over £100 is far too rich for that coin. Treated kindly and allowed to 'tone back' over a long period of time, it will be a nice specimen, but for now?..only at the right price.

With cleaning, I would go for about £20-£25 on a good day. They are interesting coins but quite common ones (I've got no less than four in Fine-VF), so Palves, tell your friend to keep his money in his pocket and shop around. Just one word of warning, they do get rather expensive in the very highest grades.

[Peter 615]

I would not touch it

[Gary 7]

Yes - over £100 is far too rich for that coin. Treated kindly and allowed to 'tone back' over a long period of time, it will be a nice specimen, but for now?..only at the right price.

With cleaning, I would go for about £20-£25 on a good day. They are interesting coins but quite common ones (I've got no less than four in Fine-VF), so Palves, tell your friend to keep his money in his pocket and shop around. Just one word of warning, they do get rather expensive in the very highest grades.

sound advice

[Peckris 579]

Yes - over £100 is far too rich for that coin. Treated kindly and allowed to 'tone back' over a long period of time, it will be a nice specimen, but for now?..only at the right price.

With cleaning, I would go for about £20-£25 on a good day. They are interesting coins but quite common ones (I've got no less than four in Fine-VF), so Palves, tell your friend to keep his money in his pocket and shop around. Just one word of warning, they do get rather expensive in the very highest grades.

sound advice

Agreed. Though if your friend really COULD get it for as little as £25 and allow it to tone back over time, it might be worth persisting with. The rim is exceptional and believe me, that's a big issue with those coins. Such a damn shame about the cleaning.

[Accumulator 52]

I am quite suspicious about the style, namely: waves, flower, tummy, legend... even colour.

Actually it's quite true that Britannia is slimmer on the 1797 penny. Too many pies or was she 'in the family way'?

[Peckris 579]

I am quite suspicious about the style, namely: waves, flower, tummy, legend... even colour.

Actually it's quite true that Britannia is slimmer on the 1797 penny. Too many pies or was she 'in the family way'?

Not to mention "old big head" on the obverse!