Blocked ebay bidders

[argentumandcoins 70]

Is it sensible/ethical/allowed by forum rules to start a topic under the members only pages where we can alert members to problem buyers?

I have just had a new ebay user open a dispute on £65 of items won and paid for that were shipped 5 days ago to Eire (I once had a lot take 6 weeks to arrive there). Paypal have of course frozen my funds even though I thought the buyer had to wait 14 days or so before they could escalate? I sent them via Signed For and refunded his overpayment on postage so I should be okay (he says touching wood).

I don't block people on a whim and in this case he has been a pain since being told I had posted, funny that isn't it?

If we can work together on this we may at least be able to help each other protect our prize assets?

An ebay user name and story behind the problem would allow each of us to decide whether or not we should take the risk of allowing the buyers to bid on our lots?

[azda 979]

Is it sensible/ethical/allowed by forum rules to start a topic under the members only pages where we can alert members to problem buyers?

I have just had a new ebay user open a dispute on £65 of items won and paid for that were shipped 5 days ago to Eire (I once had a lot take 6 weeks to arrive there). Paypal have of course frozen my funds even though I thought the buyer had to wait 14 days or so before they could escalate? I sent them via Signed For and refunded his overpayment on postage so I should be okay (he says touching wood).

I don't block people on a whim and in this case he has been a pain since being told I had posted, funny that isn't it?

If we can work together on this we may at least be able to help each other protect our prize assets?

An ebay user name and story behind the problem would allow each of us to decide whether or not we should take the risk of allowing the buyers to bid on our lots?

Why does it take 6 weeks to Eire, thats unreal. Generally it takes 10 days before a dispute can start, from date of buying i think, so that seems a very short amount of time to me. Personally i'd block problematic countries, but i have a difficult buyer whom i'm still awaiting response to the 1919KN, still nothing from him and still an open case

[argentumandcoins 70]

Is it sensible/ethical/allowed by forum rules to start a topic under the members only pages where we can alert members to problem buyers?

I have just had a new ebay user open a dispute on £65 of items won and paid for that were shipped 5 days ago to Eire (I once had a lot take 6 weeks to arrive there). Paypal have of course frozen my funds even though I thought the buyer had to wait 14 days or so before they could escalate? I sent them via Signed For and refunded his overpayment on postage so I should be okay (he says touching wood).

I don't block people on a whim and in this case he has been a pain since being told I had posted, funny that isn't it?

If we can work together on this we may at least be able to help each other protect our prize assets?

An ebay user name and story behind the problem would allow each of us to decide whether or not we should take the risk of allowing the buyers to bid on our lots?

Why does it take 6 weeks to Eire, thats unreal. Generally it takes 10 days before a dispute can start, from date of buying i think, so that seems a very short amount of time to me. Personally i'd block problematic countries, but i have a difficult buyer whom i'm still awaiting response to the 1919KN, still nothing from him and still an open case

It shouldn't take more than a week Dave. If it goes to Northern Ireland it's there next day by first class standard, the South takes longer because it's in Europe!!!!!!!

Some mainland letters have been delivered years after posting (found behind machines in sorting offices no doubt).

The point is that my buyer had his lot posted on 08/02/11 by Signed For airmail and has already opened a dispute. I think it's called taking the p**s, especially as that's £65 of my money nicely locked by paypal in their high interset account where they keep the hundreds of thousands held from other sellers no doubt!

[azda 979]

Is it sensible/ethical/allowed by forum rules to start a topic under the members only pages where we can alert members to problem buyers?

I have just had a new ebay user open a dispute on £65 of items won and paid for that were shipped 5 days ago to Eire (I once had a lot take 6 weeks to arrive there). Paypal have of course frozen my funds even though I thought the buyer had to wait 14 days or so before they could escalate? I sent them via Signed For and refunded his overpayment on postage so I should be okay (he says touching wood).

I don't block people on a whim and in this case he has been a pain since being told I had posted, funny that isn't it?

If we can work together on this we may at least be able to help each other protect our prize assets?

An ebay user name and story behind the problem would allow each of us to decide whether or not we should take the risk of allowing the buyers to bid on our lots?

Why does it take 6 weeks to Eire, thats unreal. Generally it takes 10 days before a dispute can start, from date of buying i think, so that seems a very short amount of time to me. Personally i'd block problematic countries, but i have a difficult buyer whom i'm still awaiting response to the 1919KN, still nothing from him and still an open case

It shouldn't take more than a week Dave. If it goes to Northern Ireland it's there next day by first class standard, the South takes longer because it's in Europe!!!!!!!

Some mainland letters have been delivered years after posting (found behind machines in sorting offices no doubt).

The point is that my buyer had his lot posted on 08/02/11 by Signed For airmail and has already opened a dispute. I think it's called taking the p**s, especially as that's £65 of my money nicely locked by paypal in their high interset account where they keep the hundreds of thousands held from other sellers no doubt!

Sounds to me like they're jumping in a little quick, and i have some cash i wanted to send you for that coin, i assume i can't send it now?

[1949threepence 3,367]

Is it sensible/ethical/allowed by forum rules to start a topic under the members only pages where we can alert members to problem buyers?

I have just had a new ebay user open a dispute on £65 of items won and paid for that were shipped 5 days ago to Eire (I once had a lot take 6 weeks to arrive there). Paypal have of course frozen my funds even though I thought the buyer had to wait 14 days or so before they could escalate? I sent them via Signed For and refunded his overpayment on postage so I should be okay (he says touching wood).

I don't block people on a whim and in this case he has been a pain since being told I had posted, funny that isn't it?

If we can work together on this we may at least be able to help each other protect our prize assets?

An ebay user name and story behind the problem would allow each of us to decide whether or not we should take the risk of allowing the buyers to bid on our lots?

This question has come up before,in relation to both buyers and sellers, and IIRC we never arrived at a definitive conclusion. We did mention some sellers who we'd recommend as being reliable and honest, but went no further than that.

It might be worth you asking Chris for his opinion on the matter. Obviously it would have to be "members only".

[davidrj 194]

Is it sensible/ethical/allowed by forum rules to start a topic under the members only pages where we can alert members to problem buyers?

I have just had a new ebay user open a dispute on £65 of items won and paid for that were shipped 5 days ago to Eire (I once had a lot take 6 weeks to arrive there). Paypal have of course frozen my funds even though I thought the buyer had to wait 14 days or so before they could escalate? I sent them via Signed For and refunded his overpayment on postage so I should be okay (he says touching wood).

I don't block people on a whim and in this case he has been a pain since being told I had posted, funny that isn't it?

If we can work together on this we may at least be able to help each other protect our prize assets?

An ebay user name and story behind the problem would allow each of us to decide whether or not we should take the risk of allowing the buyers to bid on our lots?

This question has come up before,in relation to both buyers and sellers, and IIRC we never arrived at a definitive conclusion. We did mention some sellers who we'd recommend as being reliable and honest, but went no further than that.

It might be worth you asking Chris for his opinion on the matter. Obviously it would have to be "members only".

Libel laws apply even in a closed group, and you have no way of knowing the person concerned or his friend has not joined this forum, and I think Chris would be liable as the publisher. So I would advise all to stay well clear of such action, even though I'm sympathetic to the need.

David

Edited February 14, 2011 by davidrj

[1949threepence 3,367]

Libel laws apply even in a closed group, and you have no way of knowing the person concerned or his friend has not joined this forum, and I think Chris would be liable as the publisher. So I would advise all to stay well clear of such action, even though I'm sympathetic to the need.

David

I must admit, that thought passed through my mind as well. Overall, you're probably right, David. Best to play it safe.

[azda 979]

Libel laws apply even in a closed group, and you have no way of knowing the person concerned or his friend has not joined this forum, and I think Chris would be liable as the publisher. So I would advise all to stay well clear of such action, even though I'm sympathetic to the need.

David

I must admit, that thought passed through my mind as well. Overall, you're probably right, David. Best to play it safe.

Although we have in the "free for all" ebay laughs slated a few ebay sellers, where's the difference?

[argentumandcoins 70]

Is it sensible/ethical/allowed by forum rules to start a topic under the members only pages where we can alert members to problem buyers?

I have just had a new ebay user open a dispute on £65 of items won and paid for that were shipped 5 days ago to Eire (I once had a lot take 6 weeks to arrive there). Paypal have of course frozen my funds even though I thought the buyer had to wait 14 days or so before they could escalate? I sent them via Signed For and refunded his overpayment on postage so I should be okay (he says touching wood).

I don't block people on a whim and in this case he has been a pain since being told I had posted, funny that isn't it?

If we can work together on this we may at least be able to help each other protect our prize assets?

An ebay user name and story behind the problem would allow each of us to decide whether or not we should take the risk of allowing the buyers to bid on our lots?

This question has come up before,in relation to both buyers and sellers, and IIRC we never arrived at a definitive conclusion. We did mention some sellers who we'd recommend as being reliable and honest, but went no further than that.

It might be worth you asking Chris for his opinion on the matter. Obviously it would have to be "members only".

Libel laws apply even in a closed group, and you have no way of knowing the person concerned or his friend has not joined this forum, and I think Chris would be liable as the publisher. So I would advise all to stay well clear of such action, even though I'm sympathetic to the need.

David

Chris would be liable under libel (no pun intended) or guilty of slander (a judge ruled chatroom posts were more akin to slander) if anybody pursued a case to court and won. The onus being on the defendant(s) to prove that what they wrote was true.

My original question mentioned an ebay user name and story behind the problem, ie an anonymous moniker and a statement of fact eg;

argentumandcoins opened a dispute today with me over £99 order for a crown. Posted via SD and no communication from buyer after being given royal mail tracking number. Paypal have frozen the funds.

That is a simple statement of fact and is left open to other users to decide whether or not they block the buyer. Highly unlikely to be pursued to court and impossible case to win under either libel or slander.

Has ebay ever been sued or any of it's users over comments that appear on feedback, eg; THIEF LIAR CHEAT, AVOID.

Ebay feedback being an open forum?

I would understand if Chris objected, but as an ebay seller he is a likely to get ripped off as any of us.

[Chris Perkins 228]

I don't see much sense naming and shaming ebay ID's, not because of legalities but simply because there will always be more 'shady' characters that we can possibly list and any that we do list can of course set up a new account with a different name in a matter of minutes. I'm sure some hardcore fraudsters do that as a matter of course.

There are some bad eggs but generally I find coin buyers are a very reliable bunch. Much more so that car buyers (I've dabbled).

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

The point is that my buyer had his lot posted on 08/02/11 by Signed For airmail and has already opened a dispute. I think it's called taking the p**s, especially as that's £65 of my money nicely locked by paypal in their high interset account where they keep the hundreds of thousands held from other sellers no doubt!

Not wishing to teach my grandmother about eggs etc, etc, but I presume you've banged your bar code into the Royal Mail's excellent online tracker. what does it say ?

[azda 979]

Let me just say this about RM. They are as Safe as for sending packets These days As Afghanny airways. Everything i send is signed for, unfortunately that dora not gaurantee delivery as i'm still waiting on a German postal investigation into a missing coin that i sent in the 14th Dec, i tracked this from the German PO site and it got to the UK on the 16rh DEC only to Be Never heard if again.

My daughter sent a few xmas gifts and cards in a Box, 20 quid postage and still had'nt arrived mid Jan, i told her to Claim it, she did. A claims form and last Week it turned up on HER doorstep, box opened, xmas card envelopes slit and things missing, now you tell Mr Who's to blame. I sent a coin to County Cork wednesday last week and ut was received today. RM are crap

[argentumandcoins 70]

The point is that my buyer had his lot posted on 08/02/11 by Signed For airmail and has already opened a dispute. I think it's called taking the p**s, especially as that's £65 of my money nicely locked by paypal in their high interset account where they keep the hundreds of thousands held from other sellers no doubt!

Not wishing to teach my grandmother about eggs etc, etc, but I presume you've banged your bar code into the Royal Mail's excellent online tracker. what does it say ?

Passed to overseas postal service, which is as good as it gets with International Signed For. Once it leaves the UK that's it!

[£400 for a Penny ? 0]

I don't think the RM are crap at all.

In over 600 ebay trades worldwide, I've had an item not arrive from San Fransisco, a package opened and items removed from Western Australia and a medal stolen by the postman on the isle of wight. That's it. Two incoming problems and one outgoing.

Everyone focuses on the negatives, but in that 600+, I've sent vinyl records to Brazil, I've had bayonets returned from Poland because I had addressed them incorrectly, I've sent cash (lots) to Essen in Germany, iron crosses to France of all places, memorabilia to Canada etc. I've stood in small rural post offices (always better) and posted stuff SD: Is this worth more than £X sir ?, yes it's worth £1500 and they've never batted an eyelid. I've posted bedchairs, fishing rods, paintings, you name it.

All things considered, I think the RM is great. Yes, there are 'incidents' as in John's case here, but it's generally not the RM's fault, they do their job and they do it bloody well.

This is my experience.

[scott 144]

apart from the backlog of stuff that meant christmas cards were tuning up in late january?

i have had things arrive from the USA in 3 days.. RM is now taking 5 days

[argentumandcoins 70]

I don't think there is any problem with the postal service here or in Eire on this occasion. I think the problem lies with an impatient imbecile on the Emerald Isle! I wish we had Star Trek technology and I could beam stuff all over in an instant, I also wish I had Angelina Jolie as an au pair, but hey...!

[1949threepence 3,367]

I don't think the RM are crap at all.

In over 600 ebay trades worldwide, I've had an item not arrive from San Fransisco, a package opened and items removed from Western Australia and a medal stolen by the postman on the isle of wight. That's it. Two incoming problems and one outgoing.

Everyone focuses on the negatives, but in that 600+, I've sent vinyl records to Brazil, I've had bayonets returned from Poland because I had addressed them incorrectly, I've sent cash (lots) to Essen in Germany, iron crosses to France of all places, memorabilia to Canada etc. I've stood in small rural post offices (always better) and posted stuff SD: Is this worth more than £X sir ?, yes it's worth £1500 and they've never batted an eyelid. I've posted bedchairs, fishing rods, paintings, you name it.

All things considered, I think the RM is great. Yes, there are 'incidents' as in John's case here, but it's generally not the RM's fault, they do their job and they do it bloody well.

This is my experience.

Assuming dead on 600 trades, that's a 99.5% success rate, which is actually pretty good.

I have to say that I haven't had a single item not arrive with RM. Some recorded delivery and even special delivery items have just been shoved through the letter box without me signing for them, but apart from that, absolutely no problems.

I've also had coins from the USA and Canada arrive after about 7 or 8 working days, usually. Again none not received.

[Peckris 579]

Libel laws apply even in a closed group, and you have no way of knowing the person concerned or his friend has not joined this forum, and I think Chris would be liable as the publisher. So I would advise all to stay well clear of such action, even though I'm sympathetic to the need.

David

I must admit, that thought passed through my mind as well. Overall, you're probably right, David. Best to play it safe.

Although we have in the "free for all" ebay laughs slated a few ebay sellers, where's the difference?

I'm not sure we've ever been libellous. And where there's been sharp practice, such dealers would hardly like to draw attention to themselves by initiating court action, especially as this would inevitably mean that evidence-gathering would shine a very unwelcome spotlight on their activities.

[argentumandcoins 70]

Well the ignorant tw*t has left me 8 nice red cherries of neutral tonight and who knows how many low DSR's which hit my ebay final value fee discount.

Contacted ebay via live chat and they couldn't be less interested if I told them the dark side of the moon was on fire.

I posted to the imbecile 5 days ago via airmail and 2 of those days were the weekend.

If any of you ebay sellers would like his username incase he hits you drop me a PM. I'm off to kick the cat or punch a wall or something!

[azda 979]

Well the ignorant tw*t has left me 8 nice red cherries of neutral tonight and who knows how many low DSR's which hit my ebay final value fee discount.

Contacted ebay via live chat and they couldn't be less interested if I told them the dark side of the moon was on fire.

I posted to the imbecile 5 days ago via airmail and 2 of those days were the weekend.

If any of you ebay sellers would like his username incase he hits you drop me a PM. I'm off to kick the cat or punch a wall or something!

John, can i take a wild stab in the dark here, i have'nt looked up your ebay to see who this wan**r is so let me be a little subtle, has he a feedback score of 366 and has cork in the name?

I'm hoping you're gonna say yes, but we'll see. Scratch that, i couldn't resist looking, it's not who i thought it might have been

Edited February 15, 2011 by azda

[Benny who 6]

Hi Can be tricky posting to Eire,as there is no Post code system in place, Airsure is possibly a better option to Special delivery

as will track your item to the door,however this means you won't have the item signed for.

Post can take upto 4 weeks to arrive,or longer if the Address has been written incorrectly ie Dublin 01 is a completely different place from

Dublin 10 whereas Dublin 20 is the same as Dublin 10,they have a strange coded system.

I would say the buyer Knows the lenth of time it takes for items to arrive,which could be slightly longer than a Paypal dispute lasts.

[Hussulo 6]

John, can i take a wild stab in the dark here, i have'nt looked up your ebay to see who this wan**r is so let me be a little subtle, has he a feedback score of 366 and has cork in the name?

No, I think its the person with only 12 feedback and "bour" in his name.

Sorry to hear about this happening to you John. Ebay is a great place to buy and sell but they do seem to always side with the buyer and this can be understandably very frustrating for sellers.

[argentumandcoins 70]

The latest from an a***hole in the States who "bought" an Indian Head for less than £10 including postage (un-tracked of course). Posted first week of Feb and still not there. I offered to halve the loss with him or told him to open a dispute via paypal to reclaim the whole lot;

I will be opening a dispute monday if the coin does not show up. I am not happy at all you are making me do that. I will not accept half of my money when I recieved nothing. I would understand if it was less grade but I have NOTHING. On monday if I have no coin or full refund I will also be leaving negative 1star feedback.

Now I know what all of you that are only buyers are going to say, but, if you pay cash in the form of a cheque, BACS or PO for a coin do you risk the sender using standard untracked and un-insured post?

[azda 979]

The latest from an a***hole in the States who "bought" an Indian Head for less than £10 including postage (un-tracked of course). Posted first week of Feb and still not there. I offered to halve the loss with him or told him to open a dispute via paypal to reclaim the whole lot;

I will be opening a dispute monday if the coin does not show up. I am not happy at all you are making me do that. I will not accept half of my money when I recieved nothing. I would understand if it was less grade but I have NOTHING. On monday if I have no coin or full refund I will also be leaving negative 1star feedback.

Now I know what all of you that are only buyers are going to say, but, if you pay cash in the form of a cheque, BACS or PO for a coin do you risk the sender using standard untracked and un-insured post?

You seem to be attracting the idiot buyers John

[1949threepence 3,367]

The latest from an a***hole in the States who "bought" an Indian Head for less than £10 including postage (un-tracked of course). Posted first week of Feb and still not there. I offered to halve the loss with him or told him to open a dispute via paypal to reclaim the whole lot;

I will be opening a dispute monday if the coin does not show up. I am not happy at all you are making me do that. I will not accept half of my money when I recieved nothing. I would understand if it was less grade but I have NOTHING. On monday if I have no coin or full refund I will also be leaving negative 1star feedback.

Now I know what all of you that are only buyers are going to say, but, if you pay cash in the form of a cheque, BACS or PO for a coin do you risk the sender using standard untracked and un-insured post?

Surely this is always going to be a problem with untracked mail. If I was a seller, I'd just refund the full cost of untracked low value items going astray in the UK , and insist that UK items over £50, and ALL items shippped abroad, went via tracked mail.

In this instance, John, I would't risk negative feedback over such a low cost item sent abroad. Just learn from it and move on. Any rate, right or wrong, that's the way I would personally look at it.

I've also gotta say that, although I appreciate how you feel, I don't really think it's helpful to resort to name calling. If you were the buyer, you might be just as annoyed from their angle.