1773 farthing a differant version of 9+B

[scott 144]

was looking on about farthings at the varietys for 1773.

mine is the same as that reverse except mine has the last 3 is the one that the one on the picture is recut over

(BRITAN closly placed) there is also a dot after the date, the obverse is obverse B (the nose pointings between A and B are slightly differant )

so what to do, is this now the offical 9+B? or is this 11+B as we already have a 10? from what i can see the current reverse 9 came AFTER this one (as i said the 3 on the current REV 9 is over the location of the 3 on mine)

[Colin G. 147]

was looking on about farthings at the varietys for 1773.

mine is the same as that reverse except mine has the last 3 is the one that the one on the picture is recut over

(BRITAN closly placed) there is also a dot after the date, the obverse is obverse B (the nose pointings between A and B are slightly differant )

so what to do, is this now the offical 9+B? or is this 11+B as we already have a 10? from what i can see the current reverse 9 came AFTER this one (as i said the 3 on the current REV 9 is over the location of the 3 on mine)

Scott cataloguing these farthings will be an absolute nightmare, I have several that do not fit perfectly into the "varieties listed" but there are that many subtled differences that the page would be about 3 miles long!!

I only record those farthings where there is no mistaking the variety, and usually would look for a higher grade example to act as confirmation before adding it to the site. I get numerous submissions daily, and it is a constant battle trying to determine what warrants inclusion and what does not.

Spotting the different Obverse on that coin would be impossible. It is determined by the brooch design, and therefore any other subtle differences could not be used as a determining factor without careful comparison against numerous other coins.

"so what to do, is this now the offical 9+B? or is this 11+B" I only wish everyone saw my numbering as the official system

I understand what you are saying in that it appears to my 9b prior to it having the 3 recut, but because the exact combination could not be determined with certainty from that coin, I would only record it as a potential variety to keep an eye out for, it would not become 11B just yet

[Peter 615]

Scott

I have hundreds of varieties (or subtle differences with pre 1775 1/4d's)

Whenever I go for an upgrade or just can't resist another it will invariably be different and end up as a keeper.

I keep my 1/4d's in Linder trays and from experience leave big gaps between dates .

Post 1806 and Colin has done the donkey work...although I won't search for every variety...yet

[Colin G. 147]

Whenever I go for an upgrade or just can't resist another it will invariably be different and end up as a keeper.

I think my wife dreads it when I say, well that's a new combination...it's just my strategy for keeping hold of them!!

[Peckris 579]

Welcome to godhood scott

[Rob 3,152]

was looking on about farthings at the varietys for 1773.

mine is the same as that reverse except mine has the last 3 is the one that the one on the picture is recut over

(BRITAN closly placed) there is also a dot after the date, the obverse is obverse B (the nose pointings between A and B are slightly differant )

so what to do, is this now the offical 9+B? or is this 11+B as we already have a 10? from what i can see the current reverse 9 came AFTER this one (as i said the 3 on the current REV 9 is over the location of the 3 on mine)

Scott cataloguing these farthings will be an absolute nightmare, I have several that do not fit perfectly into the "varieties listed" but there are that many subtled differences that the page would be about 3 miles long!!

I only record those farthings where there is no mistaking the variety, and usually would look for a higher grade example to act as confirmation before adding it to the site. I get numerous submissions daily, and it is a constant battle trying to determine what warrants inclusion and what does not.

Spotting the different Obverse on that coin would be impossible. It is determined by the brooch design, and therefore any other subtle differences could not be used as a determining factor without careful comparison against numerous other coins.

"so what to do, is this now the offical 9+B? or is this 11+B" I only wish everyone saw my numbering as the official system

I understand what you are saying in that it appears to my 9b prior to it having the 3 recut, but because the exact combination could not be determined with certainty from that coin, I would only record it as a potential variety to keep an eye out for, it would not become 11B just yet

Herein lies the real difficulty of producing definitive lists of varieties. In the era before reducing machines, every die was punched in by hand and every die will therefore be different. Add in the number of different punches used for what on the face of it is a similar die and you could easily write a 50 page article on just one issue such as the 1771-5 farthings. All of these common early issues would give the same results if accorded the same research. There were a minimum of 50 ship punches used and probably more for the 1799 or 1806-7 Soho halfpennies. All are different varieties as a result. Where do you stop? Probably when you think it is all getting a little silly, but don't worry, there is always someone waiting in the wings to carry the baton to a new level. God - we're a wierd bunch.